Please do something about Roll Trolls

[Justadude]

SE please make an announcement because somehow it is not clear enough in your ToS. Greifing by way of not rolling on loot until the last seconds is not allowed.

The Idea behind this sort of greifing is that players will become frustrated and leave the instance thus no longer being eligible for the loot thereby reducing the amount of competing loot rolls against the greifer. Thereby forcing players to stand around for several minutes waiting after their legitimate roll for their loot.

[cicatriz313]

I think the benefit (allows people to come back from disconnects) outweighs the bad. Just step away from your pc for 5 minutes, it'll be okay.

[fumofu]

Oh yes, that's exactly what we need. More rules and punishments. Nope, i'm against it. It's just like what - 5min or so? ok, maybe they can shorten it to 3min, but that's about it.

[briarth0rn]

If they give you 5 minutes to roll, you've got 5 minutes to roll.

[Astrus]

I'm pretty sure the timer is in place because rolling on loot during any point of the timer is allowed.
If they made an announcement that rolling during the last seconds of the timer is not allowed I'd have to wonder why they don't just cut the timer short.
It's what, 4 minutes? I often have to wait for the timer to run out because someone doesn't roll, especially in alliance raids, and the few minutes of standing around are not the end of the world.

[MrKimper]

Wait, people grief like this? how? what's the objective?

[Raldo]

Wait, people grief like this? how? what's the objective?

The idea behind this sort of greifing is that players will become frustrated and leave the instance thus no longer being eligible for the loot thereby reducing the amount of competing loot rolls against the greifer.

Hey, look at that. It was right there in the OP all along.


Personally, I'd like to see them reduce the roll timer to 3 minutes, but I can't even remember the last time I encountered this, so I don't care that much.

[MrKimper]

Hey, look at that. It was right there in the OP all along.


Personally, I'd like to see them reduce the roll timer to 3 minutes, but I can't even remember the last time I encountered this, so I don't care that much.

oops, my mistake

[Cabalabob]

Hey, look at that. It was right there in the OP all along.

Except that’s wrong. It’s actually not about people leaving, it’s about other people rolling first. This issue is pretty much exclusively in content where loot lockout is still in place and people have to lot specific items. So if someone who would lot your item lots on another item and gets it then you have less competition for your item.

E.G. O9 drops a bolt, 2 pedals and a chain. You are after a bolt, you pass the pedals and chain but don’t lot the bolt, you have 7 other people who could be after a pedal a chain or don’t care and lot everything. By not lotting the bolt you remove 3 of those people as competition for your lot because they will settle for a chain or pedal. So 7 competition goes down to 4. You basically cut the competition for your lot almost in HALF and that’s not even including the people in the run who were exclusively after a pedal or a chain and aren’t interested in bolts.

So in that scenario, what would you rather do? Hold up the lots 5 minutes to practically DOUBLE your chances of getting your lot, or roll right away and lose it and spend another 30+ mins in queue (as a dps) and another 10 mins doing the duty (if it goes well) just to repeat the same process?

Don’t blame the lotters, blame the loot system. THAT is what needs to change.

[Barraind]

Except that’s wrong. It’s actually not about people leaving, it’s about other people rolling first. This issue is pretty much exclusively in content where loot lockout is still in place and people have to lot [sic] specific items.

I've found this works one time per person, and then people like me go "guess nobody's rolling on anything for 4 min 55 seconds" . . . and then the bintyness stops. Imagine that.