Please do something about Roll Trolls

[Eli85]

Let's clear some fallacies up. First, waiting until the last 10 seconds to roll on loot is not against the ToS nor is it griefing. The game gives you 5 minutes to decide on your roll, and however much it may look like trolling or griefing, it really isn't.

We can debate all day about whether players should or should not be allowed to do it, but it is completely within the rules and mechanics of the system.

Wait, people grief like this? how? what's the objective?

Players do this because (sometimes) other players leave when it's clear there are others who will wait through most of the timer before rolling. I've been in groups where players waited almost the entire timer, and I'd say about half the time I saw it, players who rolled left, instead of waiting; or they simply passed on all items (save for what they really want), which concludes the rolls for those items, and thus narrows the number of players you're rolling against for what they're withholding a roll on.

It's a practice that is certainly a grey area, in my opinion, but I've seen it be effective too many times.

[Stirix]

You do get some people that abuse it to get better chances of loot. They wait on the timer in the hope everyone will leave, that way even if they have rolled they can't get it so the person pulling that stunt gets it.

I found an easy solution, after i roll if i it looks like someone is pullling that, i just post in chat that i have rolled and am gonna go make a coffee or go for a smoke so it won't work.

Most of the time the hold out rolls after i post that, if they don't decide to stick with it either hoping i will leave instead of waiting out, or deciding fewer people to roll against is still worth it.

In that case i do go for my coffee or smoke and just leave them to stare at the screen till the last second before they roll. End of the day i'm doing something else, they are sitting there hoping i will get fed up n leave.

[Nixxe]

It's pretty rare that I encounter this. 5 minutes isn't an unreasonable amount of time to wait. Adding another rule to address this is unnecessary, and would also be a pretty stupid way to handling the "problem," as opposed to simply shortening the timer. Just have a bit of patience.

[Canadane]

not rolling on loot until the last seconds is not allowed.

Yes it is. It is not griefing, it’s using the allotted time where attention may be warrented elsewhere.

[Penthea]

The Idea behind this sort of greifing is that players will become frustrated and leave the instance thus no longer being eligible for the loot thereby reducing the amount of competing loot rolls against the greifer. Thereby forcing players to stand around for several minutes waiting after their legitimate roll for their loot.

You get offended way too easily if you get frustrated from standing around for a few minutes at the end of an instance.

How do you suggest SE take action against it anyway? How could they tell players were intentionally trolling? Are you automatically a troll because you don't decide if you want to roll for something in a few seconds? A few days ago I didn't roll right away because I wasn't sure if I had an orchestrion roll or not. I couldn't find the blasted name in the list for two minutes. Am I troll?

The timer is there so long episodes of trolling are impossible. Go tab out and watch a youtube video, browse on your phone, go to the toilet...just do something instead of huffing and puffing because you made the assumption people are automatically going out of their way to waste your time. Even if they are it's only a few minutes after something is finished.

Jeez.

[Kuroka]

Still 3 min would do as well. Further, it should be highlighened WHO is not rolling, it smt is just a mistake too. Further let ppl who cant actually roll anymore due weekly lockout auto pass and if 7/8 or 20/24 did roll the rest gets an auto Need/Greed...

[Raldo]

Further let ppl who cant actually roll anymore due weekly lockout auto pass

This would be a fantastic QOL addition.

[Zeromon]

I agree waiting until the last minute is annoying, maybe even intentional trolling. But there are tons of annoying or trolling behavior that go unpunished, like early pulling, because it doesn't go against developer intentions. Trolling itself isn't globally banned in the TOS, only things like stalking, harassment or other specific types of actions are punishable. Using game mechanics as designed and intended, such as waiting until an in-game timer reaches 0, can't be bannable. If SE feels like this is an actual problem they can lower the timer. It's like irl if gates at the airport closed 5 minutes before the written time "because you should have planned ahead better". That would make no sense.

[Saikoh]

I agree that the timer should be shortened on the last boss. It is incredibly common for me to run into this during the 70 alliance raids. I would personally like to see more like 2 minutes rather than 3, it really doesn't take that long to decide if you need or want to greed it, and to b(e honest a disconnect in the last moments is something I see far more rarely (I think twice I've seen someone disconnect at the end) than people waiting til the last seconds to roll in hopes that people will leave (which I have seen on about a third of my 70 alliance raids.)

[Catwho]

I'm not "griefing" when I do this in a raid with a limited number of items. I'm waiting to see if people get the loot I don't want, thus reducing the number of people looting against me for what I do want.

Since Omega is now fully unlocked it doesn't matter any more, but back when it was, if I needed a shaft, I would pass on the non-shaft items, and wait. If two springs and a crank dropped, and 3 people lotted on and won those, then I'm now only rolling against 4 other people for the shaft instead of 7. It's a small increase in the odds, but every bit helps right?

Usually within 30 seconds it was clear if other people were also trying to play this game so I would sigh and lot anyway, but there have been a few times it worked in my favor.

It's perfectly allowed. If other people didn't want the other pieces, they wouldn't have lotted on them, after all. And I've seen a lot of cranks fall to the ground over the years in 8-man raids....