Please do something about Roll Trolls

[tdb]

Unless they say anything in chat to indicate so, you can't prove they're griefing, they may have just been disconnected or forced to afk for whatever reason.

I had this one tank in ex roulette who was in DPS stance the whole time and didn't hold aggro at all. I tried to communicate to him multiple times that I would like him to do his job, with no reaction whatsoever. He also didn't roll on any loot, which I strongly suspect was on purpose in order to avoid getting kicked. I was annoyed enough to eventually cause a wipe at the last boss by refusing to heal so we could vote kick the not-tank.

The timer is there for a reason, waiting for it is no different to waiting for a queue or whatever.

Yeah, I can just craft something or do hunts or beast tribe dailies while waiting for the loot timer to expire. Oh wait, I can't because those activities are not possible in a dungeon. There's nothing to do except wait, or maybe sort my inventory.

[SamSmoot]

Just make it so you roll can complete even after you've left the instance. Roll on the stuff you want, then forget about it.

[Barraind]

Except that’s wrong. It’s actually not about people leaving, it’s about other people rolling first. This issue is pretty much exclusively in content where loot lockout is still in place and people have to lot [sic] specific items.

I've found this works one time per person, and then people like me go "guess nobody's rolling on anything for 4 min 55 seconds" . . . and then the bintyness stops. Imagine that.

[Hash_Browns]

Just make it so you roll can complete even after you've left the instance. Roll on the stuff you want, then forget about it.

I get the feeling that this can't be implemented right now because of people being in different worlds, or something like that.

[Seraph522]

Just make it so you roll can complete even after you've left the instance. Roll on the stuff you want, then forget about it.

I get the feeling that this can't be implemented right now because of people being in different worlds, or something like that.

The issue has more to do with how inventory is managed in instanced content. Dungeons, trials, raids, etc. all take place in separate 'instance servers' from the main world servers, and due to the spaghetti code, not everything about a character will be loaded into the instance to save on data space and bandwidth - this is why you can't access your Chocobo Saddlebag in dungeons, for example. When you leave an instance, whether in the middle of a dungeon run or at the very end, you take all your character data with you, including inventory. Keeping your roll active would require that instance to try to maintain a connection to your character after you've left it, so that if you got something it could be deposited into your inventory - and that might overwhelm the servers if a ton of people all did this at once (too many people accessing instance servers at the same time is why Raubahn EX happened back when Stormblood first launched, for example). They'd need to overhaul how they handle instances in game to allow rolls to be maintained after you left - and that might be a very large and/or unfeasible amount of work. It's a good idea, but I don't know if it's possible in the current iteration of the game.

[Naychan]

There is no reason to change this. If you shorten the timer your punishing people with legitimate issues. Is it annoying, yes some times it is. But honestly if you leave you didn't want it as bad as they did. When they roll they get a random number just like you do its not like waiting improves your chances of winning, just less people to win against. For those people who are using the timer to not get kicked, talk to your
group and just wait the 5 min let the timer expire and then kick them. Your going to be happier in the long run and all it cost you was a few min.

[Noshpan]

I completely understand the frustration, but I don't think it's all that necessary. Especially since you can't prove that someone who hasn't rolled is doing so to improve odds for themselves.

As annoying as it is, I am petty enough to wait the 5 minutes.

[Camiie]

I'm sure it's been said already, but if it's something you really want you'll wait. If it's not worth 5 minutes of your time then it's not worth worrying over at all, is it?

[NessaWyvern]

It's not just 5mins when you have multiple loot though. As I mentioned earlier, afkers can use this method to not get kicked for a whole alliance raid.

Use PF for maps? You have to wait 5mins for every single step of a map. 5mins to go into the portal. 5 mins wait for every invocation.

[Sigma-Astra]

If you have time to waste in an MMO which is nothing more than a timesink, you can spend 5 minutes waiting on loot. It's really not the end of the world.