Add ilv requirement please in ShB[Dev Request]

[Hasrat]

Especially not since MSQ literally throws HQ gear at you.

Just thought I'd take a moment to point out that, while yes, the MSQ does reward some bits of gear, it fails to reward an entire set. For many pieces, the player would be required to slog through some side quests, hunt down a shop, or farm the previous dungeon. All of which sorta run counter to what the devs seem to want, which is the ability to rush the story without having to detour.

Personally, I'd suggest nixing all of the gear rewards scattered throughout quests, and simply reward gear coffers at specific intervals. Include all gear necessary to reach a specified ilvl. You'll lose some incentive to do side quests, without them rewarding additional gear, but you'll ensure players are adequately prepared. In fact, maybe you can retain the side quest incentives, by rewarding all HQ items through side quests (assuming there are enough to ensure complete sets... that would potentially require very many side quests) while the provided coffers only supply NQ.
But, the greater point is, in order to satisfy dev requirements of not slowing down story progression, while satisfying player demands for competent ilvl, I think the best solution is to guarantee a complete set of gear capable of meeting those requirements without being forced into optional content.

[Crushnight]

Just thought I'd take a moment to point out that, while yes, the MSQ does reward some bits of gear, it fails to reward an entire set. For many pieces, the player would be required to slog through some side quests, hunt down a shop, or farm the previous dungeon. All of which sorta run counter to what the devs seem to want, which is the ability to rush the story without having to detour.

Personally, I'd suggest nixing all of the gear rewards scattered throughout quests, and simply reward gear coffers at specific intervals. Include all gear necessary to reach a specified ilvl. You'll lose some incentive to do side quests, without them rewarding additional gear, but you'll ensure players are adequately prepared. In fact, maybe you can retain the side quest incentives, by rewarding all HQ items through side quests (assuming there are enough to ensure complete sets... that would potentially require very many side quests) while the provided coffers only supply NQ.
But, the greater point is, in order to satisfy dev requirements of not slowing down story progression, while satisfying player demands for competent ilvl, I think the best solution is to guarantee a complete set of gear capable of meeting those requirements without being forced into optional content.

If that was the true reason they contradict that once you hit max level you have to get gear to progress story you can't enter the Burn with your 290 stuff the only lv 70 gear the game gives you (Which is technically side story content despite it being mandatory for full job abilities) you also need a high enough ilv for Ala Mhigo and Royal Menagerie so yes the devs are saying you need gear to finish baseline expansion story as well so why can't leveling dungeons have an ilv requirement too? these requirements do not need to be severe but some manner of poor gear restriction needs to come from SE until they do i blame them and the player for entering these dungeons really undergeared.

Now your idea has merit but there does need to be a reason to do side quests other than lore a small carrot like belts/accessories aren't bad rewards to give they are useful without being demanding, SB was better paced(Level wise) than HW but you still hit the occasional level block anyway side quests help or rerunning dungeons both reward exp and gear and with the ilv requirements that are appropriate to the dungeon eg by the 4th you want to start having people in that expansion's gear no new person should be getting gear blocked it should only be those leveling alt jobs who at that point should know the importance of gear

[Kalise]

Now your idea has merit but there does need to be a reason to do side quests other than lore a small carrot

Given that for the most part, side quests are for alternate classes (Due to MSQ giving your primary job the brunt of the experience they need to level) it's quite possible that they could have sidequests enable you to get additional gear sets.

So that essentially, while going through a zone, you get access to 1 gear set via MSQ and get the other 6 sets via sidequests. Meaning the only gear you'd have to outsource being job specifics (Weapons).

Thus making having appropriate gear being pretty simple by having quests provide ample supplies which can be bolstered through dungeons (That will inevitably be required for MSQ progression), crafting or vendors.

Whilst also getting people into the idea of improving their gear, ready for when the max level MSQ content will force them to start sourcing gear upgrades from other places.

[Awful]

Snip.

After leveling an alt through ARR and HW and now I"m in SB gear really isn't that hard to hunt down whatsoever you get free ilvl 230 gear which isn't bad at all means you can do Baelsar's Wall rather quickly and you can run MSQ roulette as well as unlock lvl 50 dungeons for the free 100 Poetics or you can even unlock them while you're leveling and do them for free EXP and Poetics. My alts sitting at ilvl 270 with no effort, fully melded as well since the quests throw materia at you like it's candy, the only thing that's odd is that they don't give you 260 coffers after Baelsar's Wall which to me is odd but the MSQ gives you HQ 255 gear after (literally a whole set for your left side) so there's no excuse for having no gear.

What I'd suggest that SE does is after Baelsar's Wall is over is a Shire weapon and a coffer for ilvl 260 accessories that way people who are still leveling won't invalidate the SB opening quests that give 255 HQ left side before you even get into Sirensong Sea and people would be all ready. The side quests that are worth doing lvling is the blue side ones since they unlock dungeons or Aether Currents and that's all you should really be focusing when going through SB as by the time you'd have access to Si Shui you'd have 260 accessories that can be upgraded through that dungeon as well as your left side being up to date.

[OcieKo]

I'd agree here. Final Dungeon of previous expansion's ilvl requirement carrying over to the first level dungeon of the current expansion makes sense.

While totally keeping up for leveling dungeons is kind of moot, but at least split the difference between say Baelsar's requirements and Sirensong's drops, so at the point of like Shisui you'd only need maybe i240-250ish.

I'm assuming Shadowbringers will have a similar gear replacement rate that Heavensward and Stormblood had and endgame tome gear will last til roughly 75, which means dungeon 3 should be dropping around i400 and a req by then being in the ball park of say i380 isn't crazy. Moving the requirment by 10-15 ilvls for every dungeon in after the first isn't going to touch new players, between auto-loot for usable gear in dungeons and freebie-HQs it should be pretty easy to maintain such without even spamming dungeons like me and my partner do. Going with 10 to 15 ilvl increase for every dungeon past the first this would put lvl 79 at around i410-i435 which at the low end is like Aug Scaevan + an up to date weapon and 3 or 4 other pieces of Shadowbringers gear.

And if they wanted to go the easiest route, 51-59 req i90, 61-69 req i230, 71-79 req i360. Which would mean they at least need to have enough gear on to finish the last MSQ dungeon required to even do the current expansion they're playing in. It would still alleviate MOST of the issues people who want this kind of change can bring up. Since this mostly exists to the gross abuse of the current system rather than the "weak noobs".

[Gula]

A good game can ramp up the difficulty the farther you progress and still be playable- provided the player is paying attention and taking the steps to learn it.

I think for Shad, the gloves should come off and slap the people with said gloves who go in poorly geared and actively not being team players. Jump potions will clear you for a major portion of the game. However, by level 70 and the MSQ cleared- players should be able to understand why their gear should not suck. It is not gating off anyone to tell them "Hey, your ilevel needs to be this high for this dungeon/solo instance." It's just a means of informing them that they should know better and the game cannot evolve when some people want to wallow in their own ineptitude.

[Crushnight]

we will see how ShB handles gear stats as that will determine which dungeon not having shadowbringers gear would start to be a problem.

For HW this wasn't until lv 57 the Vault as the 1st big increase to defense/stats is lv 56 gear whereas for SB you started feeling it at lv 65 Bardum's mettle as lv 64 gear gave a big increase in defense/stats and each level up on gear increased this further so it has been way more pronounced in SB that you need to get leveling gear but with no reinforcement people can just not care and enter causing more stress to others than needed.

for reference hlr hq gear

HW: hands lv 50 ilv 120 def 50 mdef 84, hands lv 55 def 52 mdef 86, hands lv 56 def 53 mdef 102, feet(hands and feet share same amount of stats) lv 57 def 53 mdef 115
So from lv 50 to 56 you'd gain 3 def 18 mdef on top of other stats (this is for just head/hands or feet) expected going into
the vault it's not huge but it is noticeable

SB: hands lv 60 ilv 270 def 137 mdef 240, hands lv 64 def 156 mdef 273, hands lv 65 def 174 mdef 305, hands lv 66 def 193 mdef 337
So from 60 to 66 you'd gain 56 def 97 mdef on top of other stats (again this is just head/hands or feet) expected going into Doma Castle that is a lot of survivability lost by not upgrading and this is just on the lower stat increasing pieces let alone wep/body and legs

We will see how ShB deals with its stat/defense increase levels whether they go HW way or SB way

[Deceptus]

Just thought I'd take a moment to point out that, while yes, the MSQ does reward some bits of gear, it fails to reward an entire set. For many pieces, the player would be required to slog through some side quests, hunt down a shop, or farm the previous dungeon. All of which sorta run counter to what the devs seem to want, which is the ability to rush the story without having to detour.

Personally, I'd suggest nixing all of the gear rewards scattered throughout quests, and simply reward gear coffers at specific intervals. Include all gear necessary to reach a specified ilvl. You'll lose some incentive to do side quests, without them rewarding additional gear, but you'll ensure players are adequately prepared. In fact, maybe you can retain the side quest incentives, by rewarding all HQ items through side quests (assuming there are enough to ensure complete sets... that would potentially require very many side quests) while the provided coffers only supply NQ.
But, the greater point is, in order to satisfy dev requirements of not slowing down story progression, while satisfying player demands for competent ilvl, I think the best solution is to guarantee a complete set of gear capable of meeting those requirements without being forced into optional content.

Oh darn, I have to talk to this quest NPC right next to a MSQ NPC (to get said full gear set)! You know, the one that's going to help me level . . . the horror.

Going through the MSQ, I never had any problem getting HQ versions of gear. I actually had extra gear for future jobs if I planned it right because some quests offered physical and some offered caster gear.

All of that was going through the normal pace of the MSQ. Not doing anything special.

[Vanitas]

Boy I sure can't wait to jump into the level 79 dungeon and be stuck there for 40 minutes because of the monk with a full set of 320 gear.

[SoleilAlphi]

Boy I sure can't wait to jump into the level 79 dungeon and be stuck there for 40 minutes because of the monk with a full set of 320 gear.

for leveling dungeons in ShB you will be able to bypass the problem with Trusts