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    cicatriz313's Avatar
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    Fayt Azuresky
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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman View Post
    When people are saying they want the male Viera to be large and muscular under the guise of "we don't need another small race" it pretty much boils down to the idea of bara.

    I just want something on the opposite end. If we can't get the feminine and androgynous male at least give us a body shape that isn't a superhero. Lalafells are the only males in this game that don't have any sort of musculature. They're just fat and chibi.

    But I guess I'm wrong for wanting a male that isn't toting wide shoulders and any semblance of a six pack. Glad to know that parts of this community are as closed minded as modern NA politics.
    Lol. I don't think it's close minded to want something different than you. This isn't some gender politics talk, it's a forum about races in a video game. Of course some people want races that look strong for a fantasy game. You're not wrong for wanting anything but wanting the opposite of you doesn't make them wrong either.
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    Tabi Fox
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    Quote Originally Posted by cicatriz313 View Post
    Lol. I don't think it's close minded to want something different than you. This isn't some gender politics talk, it's a forum about races in a video game. Of course some people want races that look strong for a fantasy game. You're not wrong for wanting anything but wanting the opposite of you doesn't make them wrong either.
    Considering the extant that people go to on these forums it might as well be.

    I mention the idea of wanting a smaller built male and a solid several people jump on board and start arguing against it immediately. I'm all up for debate and some solid conversation. But when people start resorting to dumb reasonings that contradict themselves in the game its pretty obvious.

    I only think that the people that are calling miqo'te twinks or skinny are closed minded. Because miqo'te are neither of those things and its that group of people that's saying we have "too many small races."

    I'm fine if people want the opposite. I'm not fine with people saying we have more lithe races than large races. There's 3 large races, 3 medium, and 1 small. So please do pardon me for being a little upset with the shoddy argument of "we need more large races" when we're more than covered on that.

    The underlying issue is the limited code of the character creator and ancient style of coding they use. So until that gets up to date issues like this will never get resolved.
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    Gwenorai's Avatar
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    Dyslexius Nervar
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman View Post
    Considering the extant that people go to on these forums it might as well be.

    I mention the idea of wanting a smaller built male and a solid several people jump on board and start arguing against it immediately. I'm all up for debate and some solid conversation. But when people start resorting to dumb reasonings that contradict themselves in the game its pretty obvious.

    I only think that the people that are calling miqo'te twinks or skinny are closed minded. Because miqo'te are neither of those things and its that group of people that's saying we have "too many small races."

    I'm fine if people want the opposite. I'm not fine with people saying we have more lithe races than large races. There's 3 large races, 3 medium, and 1 small. So please do pardon me for being a little upset with the shoddy argument of "we need more large races" when we're more than covered on that.

    The underlying issue is the limited code of the character creator and ancient style of coding they use. So until that gets up to date issues like this will never get resolved.
    While it's fine to want a smaller built male, but you have to realise how unlikely that it is for a Viera male to be small when we already have an issue with Yoshida thinking that male Viera looks weird and is too 'cute' in regards to the concept art and 'cute' - they didn't even look cute. Anyway, if that wasn't sign enough that any male Viera we get isn't going to be small and petite then yeah.

    For a small 'petite' race that has zero muscle development, you're better off petitioning for the character creator to be developed so that it can cater a wide range of differences between races from height/weight/muscle or to have another race come out in the future that fits it. Male Viera is just way too vicious and cold-blooded murderer to fit the 'cute trope' to where 'all of them' are small and petite with zero muscle development.

    The only hope you may have is that the Viera male - if possible has a very good scale between the three mentioned aesthetics - height, weight and muscle. Or Hrothgar isn't as 'bara' as we think it is and we're being misled and falls into that elegant trope.
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    Last edited by Gwenorai; 03-19-2019 at 10:29 AM.