Baldesion Arsenal Feedback

[Stanelis]

PUG Groups of large sizes are essentially not happening. This is in part because enough people have bought into the discord system that the pool of people who want to do PUG groups without discord is lower than it would be, and because many people have simply left Hydatos after they get their weapon/armor. Either because they have no interest in the content, or they find the contention around the content to not be worth the trouble and would just rather not bother than fight people over it.

PUG groups didn't happen even before discord were established. That s why discords were built in the first place.

I really don't get how people can expect to run 48 men raids without a minimal amount of organization.

[Epidendrum]

PUG groups didn't happen even before discord were established. That s why discords were built in the first place.

I really don't get how people can expect to run 48 men raids without a minimal amount of organization.

Why not? Don't players want to explore new content just for fun?

[Epidendrum]

PUG groups didn't happen even before discord were established. That s why discords were built in the first place.

I really don't get how people can expect to run 48 men raids without a minimal amount of organization.

On Gaia, you can throw even 144 people together. As long as there is an established JP macro, it can be done. No need for any voice chat or grouping beforehand.

[Stanelis]

On Gaia, you can throw even 144 people together. As long as there is an established JP macro, it can be done. No need for any voice chat or grouping beforehand.

I'm not playing on JP datacenters, obviously, more people are inteerested in Eureka over there. On Chaos, you ll may be be able to make 2 groups out of the whole Hydatos instance, a the most, and the other portals simply aren't taken. And that was the case even before the discords.

Why not? Don't players want to explore new content just for fun?

Because trying to complete a 48 men raids with the only 10 people interested with BA of the Hydatos instance doesn't go well, and I've tried.

[Tsumdere]

On Gaia, you can throw even 144 people together. As long as there is an established JP macro, it can be done. No need for any voice chat or grouping beforehand.

As for not being able to find PUGs now, as I said in my original post thats mostly due to the fact that pool of people who want to do the content but don't want to join a Discord for their personal reasons is too small to sustain a large PUG effort, in addition to the general attitude to BA being that it requires a premade to make any progress.

I think the biggest problem is that NA and EU have a much, much smaller Eureka pool to pick from. 18.6% of JP players had cleared Pyros but only 5.8% of NA has cleared. That's a dramatic decrease in the available players to pick from.



JP has about 41,000 people running around Eureka from while NA has about 15,000, give or take people who just aren't interested or . Something else to remember is that people in NA and EU just... don't do content the same way JP players do. It's a well known fact that more JP players will try everything the game has to offer while less of NA does. The Aether BA discord has only around 2,200 members. While this isn't everyone who wants to do BA on Aether, I would wager it is most of them. That's only about 15% of the original 5.8% of players that cleared through Pyros.

Not to mention that the overall skill level of NA and EU is much lower than JP. Most people can barely coordinate in Orbonne, much less Baldesion. Less than average players more than likely do need help in BA with callouts, which is why Discord may be preferable for them.

[Fiorinol]

Not to mention that the overall skill level of NA and EU is much lower than JP. Most people can barely coordinate in Orbonne, much less Baldesion. Less than average players more than likely do need help in BA with callouts, which is why Discord may be preferable for them.

People in NA unironically think that you NEED Discord and that you NEED to sit around for 3-5 hours instance hopping, because people can't dodge chariot/dynamo without voice chat. This isn't even "coordination", it's just players being bad. You need to have 3-4 people talking over each other for callouts, 2-3 people breathing heavily in the mic/eating chips, etc...

The absolute state of North America.

[Xellos2099]

People in NA unironically think that you NEED Discord and that you NEED to sit around for 3-5 hours instance hopping, because people can't dodge chariot/dynamo without voice chat. This isn't even "coordination", it's just players being bad. You need to have 3-4 people talking over each other for callouts, 2-3 people breathing heavily in the mic/eating chips, etc...

The absolute state of North America.

Now you are just passively saying anyone who use discord are bad player. The way I see it, it is a way to ensure highest chance of clear run if a group if player with similar experience group together

[Alucard135]

People in NA unironically think that you NEED Discord and that you NEED to sit around for 3-5 hours instance hopping, because people can't dodge chariot/dynamo without voice chat. This isn't even "coordination", it's just players being bad. You need to have 3-4 people talking over each other for callouts, 2-3 people breathing heavily in the mic/eating chips, etc...

The absolute state of North America.

I'd rather wait 3-5hrs with a competent group than waste 3-5 hrs with a group of 55 randoms that you can't tell if they will mess up acceleration bomb or not.

Now you are just passively saying anyone who use discord are bad player. The way I see it, it is a way to ensure highest chance of clear run if a group if player with similar experience group together

Just look at who has Ozma mount and who doesn't. I find the majority complaining about discord here don't have it.

[Epidendrum]

JP has about 41,000 people running around Eureka from while NA has about 15,000, give or take people who just aren't interested or . Something else to remember is that people in NA and EU just... don't do content the same way JP players do. It's a well known fact that more JP players will try everything the game has to offer while less of NA does. The Aether BA discord has only around 2,200 members. While this isn't everyone who wants to do BA on Aether, I would wager it is most of them. That's only about 15% of the original 5.8% of players that cleared through Pyros.

Not to mention that the overall skill level of NA and EU is much lower than JP. Most people can barely coordinate in Orbonne, much less Baldesion. Less than average players more than likely do need help in BA with callouts, which is why Discord may be preferable for them.

I guess you could say NA/EU don't do content the way JP do, based people sharing what goes on in their data centres for just the arsenal, it is apparent.
Yes, I can confirm that JP has many players who will try all content to completion. Most players don't have many strong likes or dislikes about the game. We see it as content to be done. If we really dislike something, most of will silently avoid it altogether.
As for skill level, I can't comment on the actual state of things. The view we have here on Gaia is that NA/EU has exceptionally skilled players. We expect NA/EU to world first practically all content. Rather than the players having a higher skill level, I would say player temperament and work ethic is near homogeneous through the JP community whereas NA/EU from descriptions here - have large variations.

This homogeneity doesn't translate to skill, i.e. players will do their best but their current best may not be able to clear the content; but with practice they can get there. If they are not interested or harbour a dislike for certain aspects of the game(which in itself is rare), they will simply not do it. I know a few players on my server who don't touch Eureka but are running Hidden Gorge about 4 hours a day. The reason is simple, if for any reason you are not motivated to do some, don't do it and drag the community down with your poor attitude, remove yourself from the equation totally, and do something else that you have motivation in. Having a neutral outlook, having no opinion, but being a working cog in a well oiled machine is considered to be on the side of having a good attitude.

This means that in Gaia, with respect to the arsenal(or any content actually), you can count on people wanting to go in, and clear it. They wouldn't be in Hydatos otherwise. However, from what Xellos has been describing, it isn't the same over there.

[Tsumdere]

I guess you could say NA/EU don't do content the way JP do, based people sharing what goes on in their data centres for just the arsenal, it is apparent.
Yes, I can confirm that JP has many players who will try all content to completion. Most players don't have many strong likes or dislikes about the game. We see it as content to be done. If we really dislike something, most of will silently avoid it altogether.
As for skill level, I can't comment on the actual state of things. The view we have here on Gaia is that NA/EU has exceptionally skilled players. We expect NA/EU to world first practically all content. Rather than the players having a higher skill level, I would say player temperament and work ethic is near homogeneous through the JP community whereas NA/EU from descriptions here - have large variations.

This homogeneity doesn't translate to skill, i.e. players will do their best but their current best may not be able to clear the content; but with practice they can get there. If they are not interested or harbour a dislike for certain aspects of the game(which in itself is rare), they will simply not do it. I know a few players on my server who don't touch Eureka but are running Hidden Gorge about 4 hours a day. The reason is simple, if for any reason you are not motivated to do some, don't do it and drag the community down with your poor attitude, remove yourself from the equation totally, and do something else that you have motivation in. Having a neutral outlook, having no opinion, but being a working cog in a well oiled machine is considered to be on the side of having a good attitude.

This means that in Gaia, with respect to the arsenal(or any content actually), you can count on people wanting to go in, and clear it. They wouldn't be in Hydatos otherwise. However, from what Xellos has been describing, it isn't the same over there.

JP players as a whole are much better at the game just by process of trying content and slowly learning it. The large majority of players on NA don't do anything except MSQ and dungeons. A few outliers like the wonderful world first players we have on NA/EU are not indicative of the whole community.

In my experience on Aether doing BA, no one wants to do it except the premades and a handful of very, very vocal people who seethe and shriek and the mere mention of premade. In fact, most instances actually have no BA team in them at all. You shout to do BA and only two or three people respond, so you end up just not doing it. The one PUG I have ever seen go into fruition, I joined and we all wiped before the first boss because we did not have enough tanks and people were just that bad. Not a single word was spoken except for a few insults and name calling after people died.