What is a "bad player" to you?

[Lilseph]

In my experience, it is always the people who yell elitism and screech the word 'toxic' so often that are terrible players. I just finished my final Tank mount and have done this by doing almost exclusively normal mode SB content (raids). I just expect the basics. But the amount of people who do not even understand the basics of their class, present almost every run. No shirks, no Diversions, terrible DPS, insane amounts of overhealing, there are just so many people in this game, at level 70 and experienced that have such a poor playstyle that it's actually quite sad. For me, a bad player has nothing to do with ridiculous fluff like "being toxic" or "not seeing that this game is for fun". That is a behavioural "issue". A bad player is someone who progressed levels on their class but does not take out the time to hit the striking dummy for a bit, to take 10 minutes to look at a guide video, to not even read tooltips, don't come prepared to raids and generally waste the time of all other people involved. And there are plenty of these people.

I actually agree with this take of what a bad player is. I personally think that it's quite common to mix behavioural issues with one's skill. I've met very nasty players, that would talk others down, they are super narcissistic, but they are very skillful, know the game from A to Z, have all the existing content down. I don't disregard their level of skill because of their attitude. While I wouldn't like to be paired up with these players, it has nothing to do with what a "Bad player" is, imo. As the example I posted earlier, a football player, no matter how cocky he is, if they get wins for their teams, beat goal records and bring trophies home... yeah, they are a good player. If we don't like them as a person, that's a different story.

[Seraph522]

I actually agree with this take of what a bad player is. I personally think that it's quite common to mix behavioural issues with one's skill. I've met very nasty players, that would talk others down, they are super narcissistic, but they are very skillful, know the game from A to Z, have all the existing content down. I don't disregard their level of skill because of their attitude. While I wouldn't like to be paired up with these players, it has nothing to do with what a "Bad player" is, imo. As the example I posted earlier, a football player, no matter how cocky he is, if they get wins for their teams, beat goal records and bring trophies home... yeah, they are a good player. If we don't like them as a person, that's a different story.

I think the analogy only partially works, though. That football player will run into issues if their cockiness is dragging the rest of the team down, after all, and really good football players usually are going pro in some form, meaning they won't be paired up with players of wildly varying skill levels like what can happen in this game. Even if a player is highly skilled at this game and does amazing, I'd still consider them a bad player if they actively harass or abuse other players, as that can lead to those players not working with them or leaving the game outright.