Please no more Eureka!

[Alucard135]

But other content doesn't stop SE from making other content, Eureka does.
You can do an ARR relic in two weeks while totally playing casually, the HW's one takes a bit longer but not that much. And as TwistedTea said, those relics doesn't have as MANY rewards as Eureka does, Eureka does have a crap ton of rewards to bribe people to do it and still less than 5% of the community bothered with it, ARR and HW relics are more popular than the Eureka ones.

And all this "BiS" nonsense is nonsense, unless you have the NEED to have a "BiS" relic for a few leveling dungeons in 5.0 Lol
Eureka isn't worth a fancy glamour (fancy only for DRK/WAR/BLM)

Do you even have the source to these numbers to back up your claims? The numbers that are out show the opposite of that.

If you don't like that they put rewards in Eureka, well now you have to put the grinding skills you learned doing ARR and HW to work and get the gil to buy them off the market board. And if you don't have Gil, then you might Wanna consider the expired HoH.

As for BiS, you don't NEED it to level through 5.0 dungeons. The ilvl 400 is more than enough to do the job that the 405 can do. You don't have to worry about an enrage timer that the 3% increase in dps would be a life saver. So again, outside of this raid tier, the relic being BiS is not a must and doesn't have to be for 5.0.

[Leanna]

Do you even have the source to these numbers to back up your claims? The numbers that are out show the opposite of that.

If you don't like that they put rewards in Eureka, well now you have to put the grinding skills you learned doing ARR and HW to work and get the gil to buy them off the market board. And if you don't have Gil, then you might Wanna consider the expired HoH.

As for BiS, you don't NEED it to level through 5.0 dungeons. The ilvl 400 is more than enough to do the job that the 405 can do. You don't have to worry about an enrage timer that the 3% increase in dps would be a life saver. So again, outside of this raid tier, the relic being BiS is not a must and doesn't have to be for 5.0.

Relic has nothing to do in Savage XD
I never used my HW relic in Savage because at the point the relic was available the static finished farming the tier MONTHS ago. WTF are you saying.

And again, they aren't rewards, they are there to bribe people and force them to do it, which can be skipped by spending gils, making it obvious they tossed random stuff to bribe people.

If you need to wait MONTHS to clear savage because you NEED to get a relic, maybe you are doing something wrong, VERY wrong.

[Alucard135]

Relic has nothing to do in Savage XD
I never used my HW relic in Savage because at the point the relic was available the static finished farming the tier MONTHS ago. WTF are you saying.

And again, they aren't rewards, they are there to bribe people and force them to do it, which can be skipped by spending gils, making it obvious they tossed random stuff to bribe people.

If you need to wait MONTHS to clear savage because you NEED to get a relic, maybe you are doing something wrong, VERY wrong.

There you go, you finally came to your senses. If the relic isn't needed for doing savage content. Then how on earth is it needed to do casual dungeons in 5.0? I must be one heck of an elitist since I did SB with a RDM that FYI has no relic.

If you need the relic to be BiS to do the hallway dungeons that are filled with mindless easy mobs, then you're not just doing something wrong, you're doing tons of things that are wrong.

And if you consider the rewards as a bribe, then biggest bribe is the previous relic quests. Because they know no one would bother touching open map fates and do dungeons and trials for light farming and tomes if it wasn't for the relic.

[Leanna]

There you go, you finally came to your senses. If the relic isn't needed for doing savage content. Then how on earth is it needed to do casual dungeons in 5.0? I must be one heck of an elitist since I did SB with a RDM that FYI has no relic.

If you need the relic to be BiS to do the hallway dungeons that are filled with mindless easy mobs, then you're not just doing something wrong, you're doing tons of things that are wrong.

And if you consider the rewards as a bribe, then biggest bribe is the previous relic quests. Because they know no one would bother touching open map fates and do dungeons and trials for light farming and tomes if it wasn't for the relic.

You are defending Eurekan relics for being BiS, relics were never BiS. They are ONLY a fancy glamour, a fancy glamour which btw people is asking to redo because the Eurekan ones are the ugliest weapon ever released (but DRK/WAR/BLM). The relics in ARR and HW had no rewards tied to them besides a fancy glamour and they are more successful than the ones from Eureka when SE tried to bribe people with other rewards to do the shitty content.

Eureka failed miserably, not even with the hairstyles, emotes and pets, people can be bothered to do it.

[Alucard135]

You are defending Eurekan relics for being BiS, relics were never BiS. They are ONLY a fancy glamour, a fancy glamour which btw people is asking to redo because the Eurekan ones are the ugliest weapon ever released (but DRK/WAR/BLM). The relics in ARR and HW had no rewards tied to them besides a fancy glamour and they are more successful than the ones from Eureka when SE tried to bribe people with other rewards to do the shitty content.

Eureka failed miserably, not even with the hairstyles, emotes and pets, people can be bothered to do it.

The numbers show that Eureka was a success compared to previous relics though. Your feelings are not fact btw lol.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Also the fact that the game assume that since there's more people there will be more fighting the nm, which isn't always true.
Was in a group one time on a new map and they were wondering if it was even possible to do an nm with basically just two parties worth of people on the whole map, and it was the fastest nm kill I've ever seen.

Course less people means less nm prep going on...

Less people also results in less trigger monsters needing to be killed before it pops so the people actually trying to pop the NM end up needing to do less work.

[Burningskull]

the relic isn't needed for doing savage content. Then how on earth is it needed to do casual dungeons in 5.0

In ARR and HW since I continually upgraded my Relic I could always do the next patch stuff on release without a Tome weapon or a Primal weapon. When I leveled my NIN in HW I used my Relic pretty much till lvl 60 cause the sub stats on the other weapons just weren't good enough. I switched to SAM in SB so I'm not sure how far the relic could take you in SB. The Relic may not be for savage but it IS a good alternative to not having to constantly buy or farm new weapons for the casual side of stuff.

To be fair I would have completed my RDM relic if I hadn't been required to get the logo grams to do it. Instead of needing 30 for it they need to nerf that to like... 15.

[RitsukoSonoda]

You are defending Eurekan relics for being BiS, relics were never BiS. They are ONLY a fancy glamour, a fancy glamour which btw people is asking to redo because the Eurekan ones are the ugliest weapon ever released (but DRK/WAR/BLM). The relics in ARR and HW had no rewards tied to them besides a fancy glamour and they are more successful than the ones from Eureka when SE tried to bribe people with other rewards to do the shitty content.

Eureka failed miserably, not even with the hairstyles, emotes and pets, people can be bothered to do it.

Sounds like you have never completed a relics in ARR and HW when the quest steps were new and first made available. The relic in SB wasn't BiS most of the expansion because of the initial delays in Eureka. Previously the relic at it's highest available upgrade stage at the time was BiS or very close to it. This cycle however I am seeing far more people building relics while the content is new as opposed to ARR and HW which after a point in ARR many of the relic builders had adopted the mindset of "I'll do it later after it gets nerfed to make it easier".

[Ilan]

Yup, as much as I can understand people can be bored and don't want to make effort and I did it sometime too for my sanity but if your not here for the pull its your mistake and you have to assume your loss.

Yeah if i'm for any reason are not spawning NM's i'm not pulling or complaining.

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Eureka doesn't punish you if you are standing around and don't spawn NM's or just spawn low NM's. Otherwhise running around solo in eureka is not the best idea because you can delevel pretty fast if you end up in the wrong instance.

[Alucard135]

To be fair I would have completed my RDM relic if I hadn't been required to get the logo grams to do it. Instead of needing 30 for it they need to nerf that to like... 15.

I can help you with that. Using only Fundamental and Conceptual Logograms (they are dirt cheap on the MB now if you wanted to buy them), you can get 29 Logos actions. And if you already got any other type of Logograms, you can easily complete 30. Inimical Logograms are also cheap.

These are all the Logos actions that you can get from Fundamental and Conceptual.
https://i.imgur.com/7AlWh66.png

And if you want to know how to make them, you can use this website.
https://www.fflogos.com/