Is Baldesian Arsenal discord a mistake?

[HyoMinPark]

They've got a much friendlier community in JP; people are less inclined to getting carried and try to pull their own weight and they're generally more humble. I firmly believe that the reason they clear stuff on a much broader scale than both EU and NA is because of their social culture and not actual skill level in terms of gameplay. Over here, we've got the every-man-for-himself mentality (which actually pmuch didn't exist until modern age MMORPGs) and it's a real shame.

Eh, there have been instances on JP servers of players sniping the portals to BA, and one where an entire instance collectively refused to kill the outside NM to allow further progression inside BA (not Ovni but the other one that spawns where you need Feint L and Dispel L).

On Aether, when I've tried to do it there's been less players sniping portals and more instances just not being interested in going in. I did get in once last night, but only made it to the East/West boss rooms (and the other side failed to kill their add, causing us to wipe but it was still fun).

[Myon88]

They need to either segregate them, or do more to help parties in BA contribute to the rest of the instance, because apart from one extra FATE they can spawn (which might not even happen if they wipe before AV) BA alliances are a net detriment to the instance as a whole. Spawning more fates that rarely drop items from inside the dungeon, or killing things inside grants a buff to all the players in the instance outside, things like that.

To your average person in Hydatos, the presence of a BA alliance in the instance is a liability because that's 50~ people that are not contributing to spawning normal NMs and other activity, that's 1/3 of the entire instance and they can't be replaced by newcomers for an hour or more. It effectively turns the instance semi-dead on the spot for the sole benefit of that alliance. It's not as simple as simply leaving and finding another instance either, as someone who got to the instance first has things like chains, logos actions, and fairy buffs that will disappear when they exit. If you're wondering why there are cases of people not helping to clear the support fate out of spite, it's probably because people don't like being treated as waterboys while the BA alliance gets all the rewards. It's simple game theory, people will sometimes act against their own best interest if they feel the system as a whole is rigged against them, and it allows them to punish the other party.

Their presence also locks out everyone else from pugging BA which robs people of getting experience on the first half of the dungeon. Here on JP BA is pugged constantly with parties formed on the spot before the Ovni fate spawns, instead of outside the instance. You will not be clearing Ozma week one like that, but it means the item and experience level of the average player will gradually rise, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a true pug Ozma clear within a month. This is the same slow and steady approach that prioritizes cooperation that's responsible for their greater regional success in PvE content.

They should take a cue from their own Diadem content and have a separate queue that preformed raids can use to get their own 56m instance, because the way these preformed groups engage with the content is completely contrary to the way BA was designed to be entered by the average person.

[Darkplanet]

I'd rather suggest that the game developers allow a better means of coordinating large scales groups to actually take on Baldesian Arsenal so that players do not necessarily need 3rd party tools to really get a solid organization going.

yes this. I'm currently sorta frustrated with the discord situation but I also can't blame people, cause its currently a way to organize it. I just got into an instance planning on trying BA but a premade came and whoosh I'm left out, and someone did mention a large scale argument breaking out between 2 large groups trying to get in earlier.

so yes they really need to make in game capabilities to access/organize content such as high end eureka stuff.

[Burningskull]

Better Question... Is Baldesian Arsenal a mistake?

Oh... Better Question... Is Eureka a mistake?

In all seriousness tho... I think both are mistakes.

[Duskane]

Better Question... Is Baldesian Arsenal a mistake?

Oh... Better Question... Is Eureka a mistake?

In all seriousness tho... I think both are mistakes.

i don't
we need more content like BA in this game,
where we actually use tools like Sleep spells,Silence,stuns,knock back etc etc where our entire kit is at our disposal plus these logos that make it more interesting
most regular enemies in there are a real threat where you cant mindlessly pull everything wall to wall and spam your aoe
all bosses have real mechanics not with the dungeons we have now where first two bosses are so minor and the last boss only 10% more then the other two
co-ordination needed both inside and outside of the place.

yes the place has some flaws but i hope to see more high end open dungeons in the future.

I was a bit confused at first when i saw the 70% chance of raise but i understand 100% now since it would trivialized the place with 100% auto re-raise.

[zuzu-bq]

If they're a huge raid premade and politely ask people to leave portals for them and you snipe it. You're just being a jerk.

[Zumi]

I think there needs to be a way to organize 6 parties in the PF. Then you can go in with those 6 parties.

[Nihility]

They need to either segregate them, or do more to help parties in BA contribute to the rest of the instance, because apart from one extra FATE they can spawn (which might not even happen if they wipe before AV) BA alliances are a net detriment to the instance as a whole. Spawning more fates that rarely drop items from inside the dungeon, or killing things inside grants a buff to all the players in the instance outside, things like that.

To your average person in Hydatos, the presence of a BA alliance in the instance is a liability because that's 50~ people that are not contributing to spawning normal NMs and other activity, that's 1/3 of the entire instance and they can't be replaced by newcomers for an hour or more. It effectively turns the instance semi-dead on the spot for the sole benefit of that alliance. It's not as simple as simply leaving and finding another instance either, as someone who got to the instance first has things like chains, logos actions, and fairy buffs that will disappear when they exit. If you're wondering why there are cases of people not helping to clear the support fate out of spite, it's probably because people don't like being treated as waterboys while the BA alliance gets all the rewards.

Their presence also locks out everyone else from pugging BA which robs people of getting experience on the first half of the dungeon. Here on JP BA is pugged constantly with parties formed on the spot before the Ovni fate spawns, instead of outside the instance. You will not be clearing Ozma week one like that, but it means the item and experience level of the average player will gradually rise, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a true pug Ozma clear within a month. This is the same slow and steady approach that prioritizes cooperation that's responsible for their greater regional success in PvE content.

They should take a cue from their own Diadem content and have a separate queue that preformed raids can use to get their own 56m instance, because the way these preformed groups engage with the content is completely contrary to the way BA was designed to be entered by the average person.

Is Eureka and 24 man dungeons in JP server full of people who's mindset seems to be "attack unmoving until i die and wait for a res to repeat" ?
because that's a big reason getting pugs seems to result in everyone just quitting rather than try at all around here

[Zhuyan]

Once the mods in those discords get their clears and loot I doubt they'll bother helping keeping them clean and operational anymore as it's not exactly content you farm a lot of times. That's the problem with it.

[Lambdafish]

Better Question... Is Baldesian Arsenal a mistake?

Oh... Better Question... Is Eureka a mistake?

In all seriousness tho... I think both are mistakes.

Both are experiments in content design. And we need more content that does that. Based on success or failure, we could see the new features like logograms, bunny chests, public dungeons, and elemental wheel used in other content such as deep dungeon, blue mage or perhaps a 56 player savage raid series.

The arsenal is an amazing piece of content that challenges players in a way that the game has never seen before. Don't treat it like a mistake just because the method of matchmaking needs work.