Is Baldesian Arsenal discord a mistake?

[Xellos2099]

Ok so last night i actually find a pt in the discord but for the 2 hours i was in the pt we can't even get in BA once because some other big allaince claim the instance is their and refuse to leave. There were also complain in discord that there are snipping issue.

I believe it is a symptom of a problem; the discord breed elitism. IF the people are not invite to the discord, they can basically never get in BA as a party, net alone train and get crystal to boost their equipment. Every level 60 have a right to go in BA as long as they help fight the UFO and get gold. So the sniper/ pug only have 1 way to go in, they snip the portal when it turn red. I believe the discord requirement is a mistake.

[Elamys]

Have you tried asking for an invitation to this Discord? There's nothing wrong with people organizing together to go in when it's available, whether that organization be done via in-game Linkshell, Discord, Skype, Facebook, etc etc. It's definitely not a "requirement" to be in a Discord, or at least not one set by SE, and honestly, for a dungeon like BA, it is much smarter to organize beforehand.

[NarikoStar]

I don't think the problem lies with a discord existing or being created for that matter. The discord was made to foster communication and organization where the game currently lacks any tools for doing so in Hydatos to the scale players need to be successful in clearing BA bosses.

I'd rather suggest that the game developers allow a better means of coordinating large scales groups to actually take on Baldesian Arsenal so that players do not necessarily need 3rd party tools to really get a solid organization going.

[Deceptus]

I don't think the problem lies with a discord existing or being created for that matter. The discord was made to foster communication and organization where the game currently lacks any tools for doing so in Hydatos to the scale players need to be successful in clearing BA bosses.

I'd rather suggest that the game developers allow a better means of coordinating large scales groups to actually take on Baldesian Arsenal so that players do not necessarily need 3rd party tools to really get a solid organization going.

Pretty much this. When SE won't provide good tools, people look elsewhere. But you shouldn't need said 3rd party tools to complete something.

[Elamys]

Pretty much this. When SE won't provide good tools, people look elsewhere. But you shouldn't need said 3rd party tools to complete something.

They need to make improvements on cross world linkshells. The limit on being in only 1 is really restricting how useful the system is.

[Xellos2099]

I do have discord, i am just point out the problem that discord group monopolize the instance. Last night i join a group that spend 2-03 hours and can;t even go in once since another group was laying claim to the instance and refuse to leave

[Wuthow]

I do have discord, i am just point out the problem that discord group monopolize the instance. Last night i join a group that spend 2-03 hours and can;t even go in once since another group was laying claim to the instance and refuse to leave

Imagine if it would've been more like: "First in, first serve" and people simply jumped in, grouped up in the voice after that and went from there. Sure, you might not get to play with your best buddy every time but we'd most likely have a lot more clears on a larger scale (something I kinda expect is going to happen over on the JP servers). They've got a much friendlier community in JP; people are less inclined to getting carried and try to pull their own weight and they're generally more humble. I firmly believe that the reason they clear stuff on a much broader scale than both EU and NA is because of their social culture and not actual skill level in terms of gameplay. Over here, we've got the every-man-for-himself mentality (which actually pmuch didn't exist until modern age MMORPGs) and it's a real shame.

Another solution would be to TALK to people upon joining the duty and make plans. If you want to make an effort to go in, make it known before the portals spawn and maybe you could sort things out quick and smoothly by either merging or splitting groups.

[Stanelis]

Ok so last night i actually find a pt in the discord but for the 2 hours i was in the pt we can't even get in BA once because some other big allaince claim the instance is their and refuse to leave. There were also complain in discord that there are snipping issue.

I believe it is a symptom of a problem; the discord breed elitism. IF the people are not invite to the discord, they can basically never get in BA as a party, net alone train and get crystal to boost their equipment. Every level 60 have a right to go in BA as long as they help fight the UFO and get gold. So the sniper/ pug only have 1 way to go in, they snip the portal when it turn red. I believe the discord requirement is a mistake.

The mistake is the way BA works.

1) without any premades, nobody enter BA,
2) if there are premades, then random players in the instance starts to want to enter BA,
3) if two premades enter the area, then a gentleman agreement must be found between the involved groups (in the french discord we apply the : "first alliance in the fresh instance get the portals" rule).

Honestly, it should be possible to make 48 men groups in the PF then enter BA by using an aetheric stabilizer for the whole group (in a similar way with hos the dynamis hourglass worked in FFXI). But the current system is a mess. No instance system was as broken as this one in FFXI.

But it really feels terrible to explain to random players who want to snipe portals they wn't achieve anything because then the whole instance will leave and they ll find themselves alone in BA (as such wasting maybe 1 hour of everybody's time, as it often takes 45 min to find a free hydatos instance).

[Xellos2099]

It would solve a lot of issue with the first room is a safe room where you can change class.

[Xellos2099]

The mistake is the way BA works.

1) without any premades, nobody enter BA,
2) if there are premades, then random players in the instance starts to want to enter BA,
3) if two premades enter the area, then a gentleman agreement must be found between the involved groups (in the french discord we apply the : "first alliance in the fresh instance get the portals" rule).

Honestly, it should be possible to make 48 men groups in the PF then enter BA by using an aetheric stabilizer for the whole group (in a similar way with hos the dynamis hourglass worked in FFXI). But the current system is a mess. No instance system was as broken as this one in FFXI.

But it really feels terrible to explain to random players who want to snipe portals they wn't achieve anything because then the whole instance will leave and they ll find themselves alone in BA (as such wasting maybe 1 hour of everybody's time, as it often takes 45 min to find a free hydatos instance).

Well Dynamis have a system where you can do it repeatly. Maybe an enforce cooldown where if a group enter they can;t reenter for how long.