Is Baldesian Arsenal discord a mistake?

[Myon88]

They need to either segregate them, or do more to help parties in BA contribute to the rest of the instance, because apart from one extra FATE they can spawn (which might not even happen if they wipe before AV) BA alliances are a net detriment to the instance as a whole. Spawning more fates that rarely drop items from inside the dungeon, or killing things inside grants a buff to all the players in the instance outside, things like that.

To your average person in Hydatos, the presence of a BA alliance in the instance is a liability because that's 50~ people that are not contributing to spawning normal NMs and other activity, that's 1/3 of the entire instance and they can't be replaced by newcomers for an hour or more. It effectively turns the instance semi-dead on the spot for the sole benefit of that alliance. It's not as simple as simply leaving and finding another instance either, as someone who got to the instance first has things like chains, logos actions, and fairy buffs that will disappear when they exit. If you're wondering why there are cases of people not helping to clear the support fate out of spite, it's probably because people don't like being treated as waterboys while the BA alliance gets all the rewards. It's simple game theory, people will sometimes act against their own best interest if they feel the system as a whole is rigged against them, and it allows them to punish the other party.

Their presence also locks out everyone else from pugging BA which robs people of getting experience on the first half of the dungeon. Here on JP BA is pugged constantly with parties formed on the spot before the Ovni fate spawns, instead of outside the instance. You will not be clearing Ozma week one like that, but it means the item and experience level of the average player will gradually rise, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a true pug Ozma clear within a month. This is the same slow and steady approach that prioritizes cooperation that's responsible for their greater regional success in PvE content.

They should take a cue from their own Diadem content and have a separate queue that preformed raids can use to get their own 56m instance, because the way these preformed groups engage with the content is completely contrary to the way BA was designed to be entered by the average person.

[Nihility]

They need to either segregate them, or do more to help parties in BA contribute to the rest of the instance, because apart from one extra FATE they can spawn (which might not even happen if they wipe before AV) BA alliances are a net detriment to the instance as a whole. Spawning more fates that rarely drop items from inside the dungeon, or killing things inside grants a buff to all the players in the instance outside, things like that.

To your average person in Hydatos, the presence of a BA alliance in the instance is a liability because that's 50~ people that are not contributing to spawning normal NMs and other activity, that's 1/3 of the entire instance and they can't be replaced by newcomers for an hour or more. It effectively turns the instance semi-dead on the spot for the sole benefit of that alliance. It's not as simple as simply leaving and finding another instance either, as someone who got to the instance first has things like chains, logos actions, and fairy buffs that will disappear when they exit. If you're wondering why there are cases of people not helping to clear the support fate out of spite, it's probably because people don't like being treated as waterboys while the BA alliance gets all the rewards.

Their presence also locks out everyone else from pugging BA which robs people of getting experience on the first half of the dungeon. Here on JP BA is pugged constantly with parties formed on the spot before the Ovni fate spawns, instead of outside the instance. You will not be clearing Ozma week one like that, but it means the item and experience level of the average player will gradually rise, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a true pug Ozma clear within a month. This is the same slow and steady approach that prioritizes cooperation that's responsible for their greater regional success in PvE content.

They should take a cue from their own Diadem content and have a separate queue that preformed raids can use to get their own 56m instance, because the way these preformed groups engage with the content is completely contrary to the way BA was designed to be entered by the average person.

Is Eureka and 24 man dungeons in JP server full of people who's mindset seems to be "attack unmoving until i die and wait for a res to repeat" ?
because that's a big reason getting pugs seems to result in everyone just quitting rather than try at all around here

[CyrilLucifer]

They need to either segregate them, or do more to help parties in BA contribute to the rest of the instance, because apart from one extra FATE they can spawn (which might not even happen if they wipe before AV) BA alliances are a net detriment to the instance as a whole. Spawning more fates that rarely drop items from inside the dungeon, or killing things inside grants a buff to all the players in the instance outside, things like that.

To your average person in Hydatos, the presence of a BA alliance in the instance is a liability because that's 50~ people that are not contributing to spawning normal NMs and other activity, that's 1/3 of the entire instance and they can't be replaced by newcomers for an hour or more. It effectively turns the instance semi-dead on the spot for the sole benefit of that alliance. It's not as simple as simply leaving and finding another instance either, as someone who got to the instance first has things like chains, logos actions, and fairy buffs that will disappear when they exit. If you're wondering why there are cases of people not helping to clear the support fate out of spite, it's probably because people don't like being treated as waterboys while the BA alliance gets all the rewards. It's simple game theory, people will sometimes act against their own best interest if they feel the system as a whole is rigged against them, and it allows them to punish the other party.

Fantastic post.
This is exactly right.

The Arsenal is interesting content but it's also an active detriment to the people outside, say, crystal farming. They gain nothing from helping and they get a dead instance.
It needs to be segregated if SE plans similar content in the future.

[Toshu]

One thing they could actually do that would be beneficial would be to have the Ovni NM give a specific item that is uique and one time use to allow players to enter BA from the outside by turning it into Rodney. This is one of the better ways that I think could fix the issue with people sniping portals. Yes, his defeats the purpose of having an open dungeon. I think this would alleviate the whole situation that is going on with people and not being able to do BA. Tonight my group tried for 3 hours before giving up. We even waited for the current group to get out and when they did we asked if we could go in and they said they were going back in and to wait their turn. We even helped their support group by killing the Support NM.