Gender locked race?

[cicatriz313]

I think my issue with it more is that it kinda reaffirms that whole "only women can be sexy and cute, while men have to be big, hairy brutes" by going Viera female only / beast man male only. It's the idea that they are too "uncomfortable" (their words not mine) to make bunny men, bunny suits, female primals that aren't just babes painted gold, and tall, strong lioness women. Equal opportunity for those who want pretty things and those who want beast-like things. Actually, after thinking about it more, I think that those who would want female Hrothgar (should they be male only) would be the ones most SoL since there really wouldn't be something similar for them and everything is constantly waifu'd in this game until it's unrecognizable... looking at you Au Ra.

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The one with the face paint is a lot harder to notice because of her face paint and turned head, but those are definitely all the same face with the same presets. The only thing that's change is color palettes and the lighting.

Yeah, they definitely look the same looking at these close ups. Maybe the noses are a bit different but even that's a stretch lol. I guess they could be still working on other presets for female Vieras. Doesn't explain why they said absolutely zilch about males, though.

Edit: For the wanting cute men thing, I think that's assuming that male Viera would be cutesie rather than the buff men that have been drawn by fanart and such. I don't really see the dev team picking little boy male Vieras out of the different options, if male Vieras are in the cards. I think for strong type women Viera is pretty up there in that their model is Fran and Fran kicked butt. Plus they also have female Roes and Highlander? females.

[Lacan]

Again it's not about getting what you want or not. It's about people basically degrading the dev team because they aren't getting bunny bois that were never promised. EU fanfest wasn't just vague about male Viera, it was 100% absent for a reason. You can believe it was because they're holding it for JP if you want, but imo it doesn't make sense that way. It's not raining on people's parades, it's having a different viewpoint.

See, that's just where I disagree. I think as a paying customer to this game, everyone has the right to complain about what the dev team is doing. You may not agree with the approach, but they are very much entitled to that. This forum is for collecting player input, and if that is how they feel they should be allowed to say it.

People are allowed to have different viewpoints, but I think telling someone "I hope you don't get what you want because I don't like how you're talking about the dev team!" is just being petty. Let people want what they want, let people be upset if they don't get the stuff that they want. SE wants all the feedback, not just the kind that is praising their actions.

[ErysNight]

I think my issue with it more is that it kinda reaffirms that whole "only women can be sexy and cute, while men have to be big, hairy brutes" by going Viera female only / beast man male only. It's the idea that they are too "uncomfortable" (their words not mine) to make bunny men, bunny suits, female primals that aren't just babes painted gold, and tall, strong lioness women. Equal opportunity for those who want pretty things and those who want beast-like things. Actually, after thinking about it more, I think that those who would want female Hrothgar (should they be male only) would be the ones most SoL since there really wouldn't be something similar for them and everything is constantly waifu'd in this game until it's unrecognizable... looking at you Au Ra.

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The one with the face paint is a lot harder to notice because of her face paint and turned head, but those are definitely all the same face with the same presets. The only thing that's changed is color palettes and the lighting.

They do look the same lol.

I engage you to consider the following though: Japan is a highly traditional country where even though in America we might be slightly more progressive... In Japan the typical "Sexy/soft female - Strong male" thing is their desired preset. It's ingrained in their culture as a patriarchal society.

So while they are a global company, they have to make certain accommodations (male bunny suit) they aren't going to jump with arms wide open into feminine bunnybois. This is represented in every anime trophe ever. But it's not as though strides haven't been made, we've seen some more progressive themes filter into the game little by little. But I mean keep in mind that this game is created by a japanese company. It's going to take time.

[Fredco191]

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The one with the face paint is a lot harder to notice because of her face paint and turned head, but those are definitely all the same face with the same presets. The only thing that's change is color palettes and the lighting.

Also, there wasn’t a scene of one of them drawing/holding a weapon. (The Au Ra trailer has a scene of a male drawing a weapon. Why didn’t this one have a scene of someone doing that? Weird, right?)
So that leads me to believe that it was more of a teaser than a full blown trailer.

[ErysNight]

See, that's just where I disagree. I think as a paying customer to this game, everyone has the right to complain about what the dev team is doing. You may not agree with the approach, but they are very much entitled to that. This forum is for collecting player input, and if that is how they feel they should be allowed to say it.

People are allowed to have different viewpoints, but I think telling someone "I hope you don't get what you want because I don't like how you're talking about the dev team!" is just being petty. Let people want what they want, let people be upset if they don't get the stuff that they want. SE wants all the feedback, not just the kind that is praising their actions.

You're conflating various sentiments to try and make a point that "sounds ok" and win brownie points.

Giving constructive criticism is different than whining/tantrums and feedback.

Once again, you didn't read anyone's posts but I've already noted that SE would probably listen to a thread that respectfully petitioned for male vieras and that this whinefest isn't effective, it's just rude.

As a paying customer, you can give feedback. However you are not entitled to the game being in the form that you want it. The only power you have is to stop paying.

Therefore, giving your opinion in a way thats constructive is completely ok. But being terrible to a dev team is not just having "different viewpoints" isn't slandering an entire playerbase and making us NA players look like savages.

I Don't Want To Be Represented By Individuals That Don't Have The Human Decency To Formulate An Argument Without Throwing A Tantrum.

See what I did there? It's ridiculous to make a point while yelling or throwing tantrums. It's also important to read full responces and address them all.

You are trying to blend it all together to make it seem like I only want good comments. When really I am one of the toughest critics to this company. Especially over the state of housing right now. It just doesn't have to be a 160 whine fest that Yoshi will probably see and ignore because it's an ineffective method of inspiring change.

[Shougun]

Man, if you have been reading my responses you know I have absolutely nothing against beast-like races like Ronso or Bangaa (both of which would be awesome). But no, no one has been asking for Hrothgar since they were just named last week.

Well I mean people, myself and Theodric the souless duo here at least, have been wanting something for a while now. I wont speak for Theodric but I personally have been asking for something else, in a literal sense, for a while and when Viera came up had asked if we could have something different first or at the same time (but that was like three expansions ago...). As to me Viera doesn't really change up the formula of options where a "beast-like" race would (Miqote is human with ears, imo, Mithra in FF/SE's defense is more beastly in concept as it has the facial fuzz and nose).

I may have not asked for something called Hrothgar, and we're not even 100% confirmed that it will be a thing (just feels like it will), but it may be literally what I've been hoping for this whole time. So while I might not have said "Hrothgar" I could have been asking for it still.

It'd be like saying "nary a soul asked for pizza!!! why add it!?" but in the background some dude Shougun has been asking for food because he's in a food drought. If Pizza comes along and you said no one asked for it I'd be like (and rightly so) EXCUSE ME IM HUNGRY GIVE ME THAT!!! lol

Of course many of us who are excited for Hrothgar are working off of assumptions, and it's important to admit that. We don't know if they're for sure real and we don't know what exactly they'll be, if the info we have is accurate sort of Ronso lion like it sounds good but it could be not .

Anyway, at this time - this soul has asked for Hrothgar . Maybe not in exact name but its possible I've been asking for it for a long time even, like actual years worth of desire XD.

(Wanted to add I'm having fun with the souless part, I've taken no real offense - I hope you don't feel me trying to pick on you lol. We're talking and I'm just saying it's very likely I've wanted this race since 1.0).

[Lacan]

Also, there wasn’t a scene of one of them drawing/holding a weapon. (The Au Ra trailer has a scene of a male drawing a weapon. Why didn’t this one have a scene of someone doing that? Weird, right?)
So that leads me to believe that it was more of a teaser than a full blown trailer.

That's my point of view too. I think it's possible that we'll get a full trailer for the race at Japan fanfest, and it'll show more actions for the race and customization AND the males. I could be wrong though, no doubt. That's just what makes the most sense to me considering the situation.

[WhiteArchmage]

Also, there wasn’t a scene of one of them drawing/holding a weapon. (The Au Ra trailer has a scene of a male drawing a weapon. Why didn’t this one have a scene of someone doing that? Weird, right?)
So that leads me to believe that it was more of a teaser than a full blown trailer.

That actually led to check out their Facebook page and They DID have an image album for HW (Several, in fact!) And the New Announcements from JP Fan Fest has the images of the Au Ra. But the only album from NA FF is the Cosplay Contest. Absolutely nothing on ShB except Yoshi's GUN cosplay and the CE preorders. Whatevere that means (if anything), is up in the air.

Could be that their social media team is being lazy, but then why upload pictures of the rest of the Fan Fest? It could mean a whole bunch of nothing or they're being cagey

[redcurrant18]

Once again, you didn't read anyone's posts but I've already noted that SE would probably listen to a thread that respectfully petitioned for male vieras and that this whinefest isn't effective, it's just rude.

Rude is advertising a new expansion with this race for $40-$200 and then revealing its genderlocked only. If that's how you choose to interpret my comments then by all means continue but I'm being as direct and open as I can. Chaos will ensue if they make the mistake of revealing genderlocked Vieras and I won't feel sorry for anyone when that happens since there are thousands of posts in support of Male Viera. Ignore the people who pay for your product and they'll ignore you.

[KaijinRhada]

I 100% agree with you. I am definitely changing my position. I was in this thread earlier and sympathetic with people that wanted male viera when everyone was being reasonable and not slandering a dev team that does their best for us. I am disgusted by some of the things I've seen on the NA official forums after Yoshi told us he gets a feed of the top threads in the forums and reads them. I am ashamed that he might consider this our playerbase when it's a vocal minority every single time.

If it's petty behavior then I own it.

That mentality is something I have to disagree with. Wishing the exclusion of a choice by principle and by virtue of disliking the extreme positions that people hold (or the people themselves) makes no one happy. Certainly I think some people are acting out of hand in their anticipatory anger, but I'm not going to say "hey, you're being childish, so you shouldn't have this ever, and we may as well punish the reasonable people too, since they're only collateral damage!"

The demographics that want any given feature shouldn't be defined by a few people that metaphorically are flipping tables, and are much broader than that. The better way of dealing with this is by having and promoting respectful conversation and debate, despite things getting heated.