Please no more Eureka!

[Reynhart]

The Eureka weapon only takes less time now if you graciously plowed your way through all of the stages of it before Hydatos, this can't be said for people who are just starting on it now where getting through Anemos+ could be difficult since, for most others, there's no real reason to go back in Anemos at the moment.

I'm really not sure of that. You still find full instances of Anemos, Pagos and Pyros, either because people are leveling there to have a headstart in Hydatos, or because they're interested enough in Hydatos that the various nerfs to Anemos and Pagos finally broke their reluctance to go there.

What we can fear is how people would do the Eureka weapon after the release of Shadowbringers, but considering FFXI managed to transform a 64-player restricted-zone into an open area where everyone can solo, I'm pretty sure it can be done easily. I'm actually glad I haven't started it on my alt so that I'll be able to witness it on my spare time in several months. An easy way would be to remove any kind of lvl/ilvl/elvl sync and makes NM works like Hunt Marks.

[TalithaSolarien]

I'm really not sure of that. You still find full instances of Anemos, Pagos and Pyros, either because people are leveling there to have a headstart in Hydatos, or because they're interested enough in Hydatos that the various nerfs to Anemos and Pagos finally broke their reluctance to go there.

While this is true and possible for Anemos and Pagos it's absolutely not true for Pyros. You need a group of players at your level to effectively farm Logos action. While you can group with all the 50's that populate the zone now it will only help for farming XP/crystals.

If you are coming late to Pyros then you will have a problem.

[LaylaTsarra]

While this is true and possible for Anemos and Pagos it's absolutely not true for Pyros. You need a group of players at your level to effectively farm Logos action. While you can group with all the 50's that populate the zone now it will only help for farming XP/crystals.

If you are coming late to Pyros then you will have a problem.

I took my toons through pyros and all I did were bunnies/nm's and my last toon finished her relic just this past weekend. There is no problem getting a relic even now and you don't need a group of 50's to get the logo's you need. So please don't spread misinformation.

[SDaemon]

I took my toons through pyros and all I did were bunnies/nm's and my last toon finished her relic just this past weekend. There is no problem getting a relic even now and you don't need a group of 50's to get the logo's you need. So please don't spread misinformation.

Of the 30 actions needed for the relic I have 10 and I've only been to Pyros 2 times for rather short sessions each time. By the time I hit 50 I'm sure I'll have the 30 needed for the relic, might not have all of them for the armor, but not really interested in the armor. Collecting the actions I'm not really worried about and if need be I could just buy them, though I don't see the value in it.

[LaylaTsarra]

Of the 30 actions needed for the relic I have 10 and I've only been to Pyros 2 times for rather short sessions each time. By the time I hit 50 I'm sure I'll have the 30 needed for the relic, might not have all of them for the armor, but not really interested in the armor. Collecting the actions I'm not really worried about and if need be I could just buy them, though I don't see the value in it.

You should and I might add if you decide you want to do 50/50 you'll have to work at it a bit harder and farm mobs as you level. Two of my toons unlocked gear which I leveled there. I'm not that motivated by the gear given it's far from attractive in my view and I'm certainly not interested in the Hydratos gear with it's glow. I was never a fan of gear that lights up. I got my character Talea the Sam set and my character Tiffa the Paladan one.

If you do a lot of bunnies and get many logos you also have the option to sell those you don't need and potentially buy some you do to finish the armor sets. Just a thought.

[TalithaSolarien]

I took my toons through pyros and all I did were bunnies/nm's and my last toon finished her relic just this past weekend. There is no problem getting a relic even now and you don't need a group of 50's to get the logo's you need. So please don't spread misinformation.

That was/is not my experience. The last time did exactly that for 2 days (farming lower bunny and NM's) I only ever got one Silver chest, few Bronze chests and 2 different chests from NM's. This makes reaching the 30 Logo actions hard.

You can buy Logograms off the Market Board. That can help with some of the problems of getting Logos actions, though I admit the price will vary depending on server.

With the prices on my server this would set me back a few million gils which I absolutely refuse to do.

[Reynhart]

If you are coming late to Pyros then you will have a problem.

Not for the weapon. At worst, you might have a problem getting the armor, and only for Logograms dropped by heated box.
And that without even using Logos actions to kill mobs, mainly the Reflect to wreckhigh level sprites.

I've had one person describe Eureka as FF XI effort for nowhere near the XI reward.

Nowhere near FFXI effort too.

For the record, the very first incarnation of a Relic weapon require more than 10000 Ancient Currencies. At best, a good Dynamis run would initially drop around 200 currencies. But, those currencies were sellable on the market board, entry required an Item that cost 1M Gils and between 40 and 64 people. So basically, once you dropped the Currencies, you frequently had to buy them back from your own Linkshell. Aside from that, you could only enter in Dynamis once every 72 hours and the Key Item was destroyed upon entering, meaning that you had to buy a new item even if you completely fail your Dynamis run.

Fast forward several years, the entry Item is now a permanent Key Item that cost 50k (Unless you do a quest that grants permanent access), monsters are still level 75 compared to level 99 characters, and there is a proc system so that doing a specific action/Spell/Weapon Skill ensures single-unit currency drop rate, with a rare white proc that ensure 100-unit currency drop. After seeing that, there's no reason Eureka can't be made soloable in ShadowBringers.

[Fawkes]

Fast forward several years, the entry Item is now a permanent Key Item that cost 50k (Unless you do a quest that grants permanent access), monsters are still level 75 compared to level 99 characters, and there is a proc system so that doing a specific action/Spell/Weapon Skill ensures single-unit currency drop rate, with a rare white proc that ensure 100-unit currency drop. After seeing that, there's no reason Eureka can't be made soloable in ShadowBringers.

There is absolutely no chance that they'll make Eureka soloable. They will let it rot. FFXI has horizontal progression and the relic weapons from Dynamis stayed relevant for all those years, there was a reason for them to make it more accessible. As soon as Shadowbringers drops Eureka is going to be nothing more than a place to get glamour. There's no reason to make it more accessible. And the devs almost never go back and adjust old content in FFXIV, if it takes more effort than slapping the echo on it or cramming it in a roulette then it's too much work for this dev team.

[Reynhart]

There is absolutely no chance that they'll make Eureka soloable.

Before knowing that unsynced would be a thing, you'd probably have said the same thing for the Zodiac. And even apart from being able to solo every content this weapon required, HW saw several tweaks as to make the Zodiac easier to get.
And even if they don't unsync Eureka, it would be very easy to make every item buyable with a few Poetics or Seals, allowing for everyone to have the Glamour they want.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Before knowing that unsynced would have been a thing, you'd probably have said the same thing for the Zodiac. And even apart from being able to solo every content this weapon required, HW saw several tweaks as to make the Zodiac easier to get.
And even if they don't unsync Eureka, it would be very easy to make every item buyable with a few Poetics or Seals, allowing for everyone to have the Glamour they want.

Eureka instances scale with player count anyway. When its nearly empty the NM's actually pop quite fast and still die at relatively the same rate. So in a way they've already made some preparations for people moving on with content. I mean we popped and killed Pazuzu with 14 people in a dead instance that was no longer repopulating and did Penny with I think 26 right before the maintenance.