Please no more Eureka!

[Reynhart]

Anyone could tell that was an exaggerated example, but still somewhat relative in regards to Eureka about the idea that most people are over the senseless grinds in MMO games as a measure of "fun" and engaging content, even worse when things like the relic are tied to it that some players may find important to them.

Problem is that you overexaggerated is the only thing to make the Relic worse in terms of time sink as both past relics took more time to do at launch than the Eureka weapon.

As for fun content, I'd say it's a matter of taste, but I'd hardly call grinding the same dungeon for tomestone/light efficientcy "fun". Especially since every other piece of gear already ask that you do tome farming.

1 + 2 . Except it was not marketed at the "small fraction" of the playerbase.

Well, yes it was...But I'm started to get used to people ignoring it.

Y: I usually compare FFXIV with a theme park, but the Forbidden Land of Eureka won’t be a place where everyone would want to go. For example, there are people who don’t want to go to horror houses because they don’t see the point in getting scared on purpose. For example, on a date, the boyfriend might want to invite the girlfriend to go the horror house, but the girlfriend just doesn’t seem to find it fun. In other words, it’s not like everyone wants to go to the horror house, but there are people who just love the adrenalin rush they get from it. Think of Eureka as something like that.

If the devs have ever said it's for a niche group of players then their actions have utterly contradicted their words thus far.

Yet, you're still there complaining that Eureka is anything but casual friendly...Indeed, actions have spoken.

3. And people complained they had to do "uninteresting content" for those items, not much different from "hard content" if they aren't into it either way.

Hard and uninteresting are two very different things. No content stays interesting when you do it for the hundreth time.

4 + 5. And I'll repeat again, it's a garbage comparison, especially against streamlined story content. The time spent on the story of Eureka is vastly minuscule vs the time spent grinding, much like relic/anima before it.

By the time I reached level cap in Anemos and Pagos, I had my first relic nearly completed, armor included. And it was the same for the Pyros weapon, substats and armor excluded. So no, in fact, doing the weapon is really not that time consuming, especially compared to the previous relics.

Also, if they don't want to "force people to clear hard content", then why coerce them into getting through boring grind content?

You're the only one coercing yourself to do a content your find boring.

6. Which is a blatantly flawed concept considering each previous area will be gradually deserted whenever a new one comes out.

Which is...completely wrong. You still find far enough people in Anemos to do your weapon, and Pagos is almost more populated than it was previously, due to the recent buffs and people having more incentive to catch-up since they heard that Pyros was somehow "fun" to do.

The ability to skip areas/weapons is not really a bad idea when:

There's still nothing ingame that allows you to skip the various story-related content or the leveling process (But, who knows, maybe they'll create an elvl potion in MogStation later) or skip a Relic step when it's outdated (Again, that's the whole concept of the relic).

But keep defending old/dated, rigid designs as you see fit.

Are you one of the people that forgot than Eureka is only one of the various FFXIV content, and that everything else is closer to your view of the game ?

[Sigma-Astra]

Problem is that you overexaggerated is the only thing to make the Relic worse in terms of time sink as both past relics took more time to do at launch than the Eureka weapon.

As for fun content, I'd say it's a matter of taste, but I'd hardly call grinding the same dungeon for tomestone/light efficientcy "fun". Especially since every other piece of gear already ask that you do tome farming.

The Eureka weapon only takes less time now if you graciously plowed your way through all of the stages of it before Hydatos, this can't be said for people who are just starting on it now where getting through Anemos+ could be difficult since, for most others, there's no real reason to go back in Anemos at the moment. At least with the previous relics, one could easily start the first step without almost anyone else to help them in most cases. You'd literally have to find a group of like-minded people to carry you through Anemos, maybe not so much Pagos, but definitely Pyros, to get to Hydatos.

I'd rather grind something that doesn't explicitly require me to ride on the backs of others or I can't make any progress, especially in a haphazard place like Eureka.

[Reynhart]

The Eureka weapon only takes less time now if you graciously plowed your way through all of the stages of it before Hydatos, this can't be said for people who are just starting on it now where getting through Anemos+ could be difficult since, for most others, there's no real reason to go back in Anemos at the moment.

I'm really not sure of that. You still find full instances of Anemos, Pagos and Pyros, either because people are leveling there to have a headstart in Hydatos, or because they're interested enough in Hydatos that the various nerfs to Anemos and Pagos finally broke their reluctance to go there.

What we can fear is how people would do the Eureka weapon after the release of Shadowbringers, but considering FFXI managed to transform a 64-player restricted-zone into an open area where everyone can solo, I'm pretty sure it can be done easily. I'm actually glad I haven't started it on my alt so that I'll be able to witness it on my spare time in several months. An easy way would be to remove any kind of lvl/ilvl/elvl sync and makes NM works like Hunt Marks.

[Noshpan]

I've had one person describe Eureka as FF XI effort for nowhere near the XI reward. And that's how Eureka feels to me (which is most likely why I've never gone past Anemos). And I am not looking for another Eureka-style content in Shadowbringers. Sure, I'll give it a bit of a try, but I'll most likely stop if I don't feel like I've accomplished much (if anything) for my time spent & effort put into said content.

[TalithaSolarien]

I'm really not sure of that. You still find full instances of Anemos, Pagos and Pyros, either because people are leveling there to have a headstart in Hydatos, or because they're interested enough in Hydatos that the various nerfs to Anemos and Pagos finally broke their reluctance to go there.

While this is true and possible for Anemos and Pagos it's absolutely not true for Pyros. You need a group of players at your level to effectively farm Logos action. While you can group with all the 50's that populate the zone now it will only help for farming XP/crystals.

If you are coming late to Pyros then you will have a problem.

[LaylaTsarra]

While this is true and possible for Anemos and Pagos it's absolutely not true for Pyros. You need a group of players at your level to effectively farm Logos action. While you can group with all the 50's that populate the zone now it will only help for farming XP/crystals.

If you are coming late to Pyros then you will have a problem.

I took my toons through pyros and all I did were bunnies/nm's and my last toon finished her relic just this past weekend. There is no problem getting a relic even now and you don't need a group of 50's to get the logo's you need. So please don't spread misinformation.

[SDaemon]

I took my toons through pyros and all I did were bunnies/nm's and my last toon finished her relic just this past weekend. There is no problem getting a relic even now and you don't need a group of 50's to get the logo's you need. So please don't spread misinformation.

Of the 30 actions needed for the relic I have 10 and I've only been to Pyros 2 times for rather short sessions each time. By the time I hit 50 I'm sure I'll have the 30 needed for the relic, might not have all of them for the armor, but not really interested in the armor. Collecting the actions I'm not really worried about and if need be I could just buy them, though I don't see the value in it.

[LaylaTsarra]

Of the 30 actions needed for the relic I have 10 and I've only been to Pyros 2 times for rather short sessions each time. By the time I hit 50 I'm sure I'll have the 30 needed for the relic, might not have all of them for the armor, but not really interested in the armor. Collecting the actions I'm not really worried about and if need be I could just buy them, though I don't see the value in it.

You should and I might add if you decide you want to do 50/50 you'll have to work at it a bit harder and farm mobs as you level. Two of my toons unlocked gear which I leveled there. I'm not that motivated by the gear given it's far from attractive in my view and I'm certainly not interested in the Hydratos gear with it's glow. I was never a fan of gear that lights up. I got my character Talea the Sam set and my character Tiffa the Paladan one.

If you do a lot of bunnies and get many logos you also have the option to sell those you don't need and potentially buy some you do to finish the armor sets. Just a thought.

[Reynhart]

If you are coming late to Pyros then you will have a problem.

Not for the weapon. At worst, you might have a problem getting the armor, and only for Logograms dropped by heated box.
And that without even using Logos actions to kill mobs, mainly the Reflect to wreckhigh level sprites.

I've had one person describe Eureka as FF XI effort for nowhere near the XI reward.

Nowhere near FFXI effort too.

For the record, the very first incarnation of a Relic weapon require more than 10000 Ancient Currencies. At best, a good Dynamis run would initially drop around 200 currencies. But, those currencies were sellable on the market board, entry required an Item that cost 1M Gils and between 40 and 64 people. So basically, once you dropped the Currencies, you frequently had to buy them back from your own Linkshell. Aside from that, you could only enter in Dynamis once every 72 hours and the Key Item was destroyed upon entering, meaning that you had to buy a new item even if you completely fail your Dynamis run.

Fast forward several years, the entry Item is now a permanent Key Item that cost 50k (Unless you do a quest that grants permanent access), monsters are still level 75 compared to level 99 characters, and there is a proc system so that doing a specific action/Spell/Weapon Skill ensures single-unit currency drop rate, with a rare white proc that ensure 100-unit currency drop. After seeing that, there's no reason Eureka can't be made soloable in ShadowBringers.

[shiroxkatsuya]

Are you allowed to enjoy Eureka?? Of course you are. Are you allowed to hate it?? Of course you are

I personally did not enjoy eureka. If Shadowbringers puts such a large focus on Eureka style content as they did with Stormblood then i will most likely be moving on from FFXIV. I am just one person though, so i can't expect the devs to cater to my needs just as anyone else can't expect them to.