Please no more Eureka!

[Reynhart]

Anyone could tell that was an exaggerated example, but still somewhat relative in regards to Eureka about the idea that most people are over the senseless grinds in MMO games as a measure of "fun" and engaging content, even worse when things like the relic are tied to it that some players may find important to them.

Problem is that you overexaggerated is the only thing to make the Relic worse in terms of time sink as both past relics took more time to do at launch than the Eureka weapon.

As for fun content, I'd say it's a matter of taste, but I'd hardly call grinding the same dungeon for tomestone/light efficientcy "fun". Especially since every other piece of gear already ask that you do tome farming.

1 + 2 . Except it was not marketed at the "small fraction" of the playerbase.

Well, yes it was...But I'm started to get used to people ignoring it.

Y: I usually compare FFXIV with a theme park, but the Forbidden Land of Eureka won’t be a place where everyone would want to go. For example, there are people who don’t want to go to horror houses because they don’t see the point in getting scared on purpose. For example, on a date, the boyfriend might want to invite the girlfriend to go the horror house, but the girlfriend just doesn’t seem to find it fun. In other words, it’s not like everyone wants to go to the horror house, but there are people who just love the adrenalin rush they get from it. Think of Eureka as something like that.

If the devs have ever said it's for a niche group of players then their actions have utterly contradicted their words thus far.

Yet, you're still there complaining that Eureka is anything but casual friendly...Indeed, actions have spoken.

3. And people complained they had to do "uninteresting content" for those items, not much different from "hard content" if they aren't into it either way.

Hard and uninteresting are two very different things. No content stays interesting when you do it for the hundreth time.

4 + 5. And I'll repeat again, it's a garbage comparison, especially against streamlined story content. The time spent on the story of Eureka is vastly minuscule vs the time spent grinding, much like relic/anima before it.

By the time I reached level cap in Anemos and Pagos, I had my first relic nearly completed, armor included. And it was the same for the Pyros weapon, substats and armor excluded. So no, in fact, doing the weapon is really not that time consuming, especially compared to the previous relics.

Also, if they don't want to "force people to clear hard content", then why coerce them into getting through boring grind content?

You're the only one coercing yourself to do a content your find boring.

6. Which is a blatantly flawed concept considering each previous area will be gradually deserted whenever a new one comes out.

Which is...completely wrong. You still find far enough people in Anemos to do your weapon, and Pagos is almost more populated than it was previously, due to the recent buffs and people having more incentive to catch-up since they heard that Pyros was somehow "fun" to do.

The ability to skip areas/weapons is not really a bad idea when:

There's still nothing ingame that allows you to skip the various story-related content or the leveling process (But, who knows, maybe they'll create an elvl potion in MogStation later) or skip a Relic step when it's outdated (Again, that's the whole concept of the relic).

But keep defending old/dated, rigid designs as you see fit.

Are you one of the people that forgot than Eureka is only one of the various FFXIV content, and that everything else is closer to your view of the game ?

[Aster_E]

I think that its time for players to stop demanding the end of content for being too hard.

Lately the main complaint is that the game is getting stale. How will they ever want to do new content if all we do is complain?

I agree that light farming isn't fun, but Im sick of seeing content get discontinued from overblown complaints.

How about we ask the devs to make Eureka 2.0 BETTER next time instead of just having it removed entirely. I have seen too many unique ideas removed in this game over the mentality that hard equals deleting said content.

The problem with Eureka isn't difficulty but some parts boredom and some parts disgust. Some of us even were tired of Diadem its first time around, in 3.1. Locking the relic behind it was all the more aggravating, and many of us only touch Eureka because it's the only way to get that BiS or piece of glamour; while many of us have to miss out because we cannot stomach this form of content. Again, that's not difficulty, nor is understanding this. That is flavor, and a great many of us would gladly pass on a third or seventh serving, depending on how you count it.

[AnnaRosa]

Having heard they plan something like Eureka in 5.0 i just had to throw my 2 cents in.

No yoshi P, its not well received, people just do it because you hide Emotes, mounts and Relics behind it. Btw: I seriously dont know why people do content they dont enjoy. I for myself wont finish this Relic. Having played Aion back in the day, i truly know what grind is and when i first entered pagos, tried it for a few hours.... i felt just like back in Aion.

Same for the 4.X pvp btw. People dont like it, they just play it because we simply have no other option for doing pvp in this game. People dont wanna pay 2 Subs just so they can enjoy the pvp of another MMO.

Players have been vocal about Eureka, a lot say they hate it, yes there are a few who like it but most people dont. You cant just assume that people like it because they do the content, they do it for the Stuff thats locked behind it. Please rethink that "idea" and maybe put in another storyheavy relic like in ARR or Heavensward.

Have a good Day

Araxes.

Good morning,

Allow me to disagree with you but think you are mistaken when you type Eureka is "not well received" by my few time spent in Eureka noticed players that actually were enjoying grinding Eureka maps with their friends and other ppl and other ppl friends.

Don't ask me how or why don know how to explain maybe it has to do with common goal and massive virtual social experience.

[Barraind]

MMO's don't need grinds to stay alive. If that were the case then we'd all still be playing Everquest.

You can get 5 aa's a kill and 3box heroic missions for ~90aa in 10 minutes in EQ.

Its significantly less grindy than 14 is these days.

[Sigma-Astra]

You can get 5 aa's a kill and 3box heroic missions for ~90aa in 10 minutes in EQ.

Its significantly less grindy than 14 is these days.

Hmm, well maybe Ragnarok Online might have been a better choice. But, you get the idea, lol.

[Noshpan]

I've had one person describe Eureka as FF XI effort for nowhere near the XI reward. And that's how Eureka feels to me (which is most likely why I've never gone past Anemos). And I am not looking for another Eureka-style content in Shadowbringers. Sure, I'll give it a bit of a try, but I'll most likely stop if I don't feel like I've accomplished much (if anything) for my time spent & effort put into said content.

[shiroxkatsuya]

Are you allowed to enjoy Eureka?? Of course you are. Are you allowed to hate it?? Of course you are

I personally did not enjoy eureka. If Shadowbringers puts such a large focus on Eureka style content as they did with Stormblood then i will most likely be moving on from FFXIV. I am just one person though, so i can't expect the devs to cater to my needs just as anyone else can't expect them to.

[Gleipni]

I agree with it,until now i kinda did all content of the game as boring as some may be,but this,i finished pagos,went 18min in anemos,and i just could not go on,its unbearable how boring it was for me,monster bashing in a slow paced mmo ? no thanks .

[stanrir]

umm Yes I want more Eureka, this is the only relic I have ever even came close to finishing during the expansion it was made in

[NeocronNV]

I tried to do Eureka.... even soloed up to EL5 prior to even trying to get a party only to be ignored by the people conversing in shout about nm trains and whatnot. I couldn't even get a response when I asked if I was high enough EL to even think about partying or if I should solo a few more EL's first. I couldn't even get a "git gud scrub" out of anyone.... it was like I was a ghost that could hear everyone talking, but they couldn't hear me.

I spent about 2 hours in Eureka and that 2 hours showed me that Eureka is content for cliques. If your in the clique, then it's all good. If your not in the clique, you might as well not even bother trying. I know I'm late to the whole Eureka thing, but it's not like Anemos was empty and only a few people were wandering around. The place was actively busy and people's silence made it extremely clear that my lowbie self wasn't welcome. Sure I could solo up to EL20 and then try to get a party there.... but why put forth that kind of effort when the cliques don't even consider me worthy of a pithy "git gud" or something similar to let me know that there would even be a light at the end of the EL solo grind?

If they're going to do more Eureka content in 5.x... I just won't do it. Kinda like how I don't PVP. =)