Gender locked race?

[Gwenorai]

As opposed to a race of human looking people with animal ears that live in a forest matriarchy? People go on about how similar viera lore is to miqote, and they physically look not much different than what we already have, but then say another cat themed race that could actually look drastically different is too similar?

I just don't get it. Sounds like double standards to me.

Are you serious? Or just having a laugh? They look drastically different. As for lore - beyond the fact they are matriarchal and that the males have a lesser birthrate. That. Is. It. What other connections are they? In fact, if we're going into that argument then every single race is just an offshoot of Hyur. Makes sense doesn't it since in FF that's the whole plot that all of the 'Humanoids' beyond the beast tribes used to be one single race.

Yes, another cat race is idiotic when such a thing could be added into the CC in regards to manes and muscle/height slider. If there only difference is going to be they're going to have fur on their bodies and be 'buffer' then really, what's the point. When they could have added Lupin or another beast race?

What lore are they going to add which would have it where only the males will be seen and not the females?

[Shippuu]

Are you serious? Or just having a laugh? They look drastically different.

Lol if you say so. Still absolutely a double standard thay viera are different enough despite many visual similarities, but a vague concept with no visuals is immediately too similar because they might share a cat motif.

By that logic, all the races are too similar because they all share a base human motif (with lalafell being the most different).

Yes, another cat race is idiotic when such a thing could be added into the CC in regards to manes and muscle/height slider.

Again, all this applies to Viera as well, their bunny ears and faces could have been added to miqote, hyur, and elezen customization easily. You are absolutely applying a double standard here.

Muscle sliders have never added actual muscle mass in this game, so that would be an entirely new system they'd have to develop.

f there only difference is going to be they're going to have fur on their bodies and be 'buffer' then really, what's the point. When they could have added Lupin?

Because Lupin have a head and face anatomy that's entirely incompatible with the gear and cutscenes/emotes systems.

What lore are they going to add which would have it where only the males will be seen and not the females?

Oh I don't know, there's quite literally millions of examples. They could go the FFXI route and have the race reproduce via reincarnation. They could be artificial constructs brought to life through some old ritual. They could be a group of biologically engineered allagan chimera that have no gender and can't reproduce outside of allagan incubation chambers. They could be a race that has no biological females and need to either have children with other races or use some kind of magic to create offspring.

There are countless angles they could go.
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[redcurrant18]

Again, all this applies to Viera as well, their bunny ears and faces could have been added to miqote, hyur, and elezen customization easily. You are absolutely applying a double standard here.

Miquote are explicitly stated to be descended from Mithra in FFXIV. Bunny ears on them contradicts this lore. There's no need to merge them with Viera when they have such drastically different background stories surrounding them.

Because Lupin have a head and face anatomy that's entirely incompatible with the gear and cutscenes/emotes systems.

So would a bara cat race or Ronso.

[Shippuu]

Miquote are explicitly stated to be descended from Mithra in FFXIV. Bunny ears on them contradicts this lore. There's no need to merge them with Viera when they have such drastically different background stories surrounding them.

Flavor text on the Mithra minion saying it's a "supposed" ancestor of miqote is not a confirmation they actually are, especially with how many times the lore heads have stated that not all the information and lore you are given is accurate and that's intentional. Even then, there's no stopping new lore from being created such as "this group of miqote became in tuned with the woods, the hearing the green word over centuries has caused a magical change in them and altered their physical appearance."

New lore can always be created to hand wave away a ton of shit. It happens all the time.

So would a bara cat race or Ronso.

Factually untrue. Lupin have almost entirely canine faces, incapale of easily being emotive and expressive with the same system used for the other player races without a ton of new work. I've literally posted an example of a cat like race from another game that has a most human face that would absolutely be able to emote like the other player races. Even rhonso could as their faces are again, mostly human. They also have mostly human shaped heads, unlike Lupin.

[redcurrant18]

Factually untrue. Lupin have almost entirely canine faces, incapale of easily being emotive and expressive with the same system used for the other player races without a ton of new work. I've literally posted an example of a cat like race from another game that has a most human face that would absolutely be able to emote like the other player races. Even rhonso could as their faces are again, mostly human. They also have mostly human shaped heads, unlike Lupin.

That still didn't stop the Ronso in FFX from having little to no facial expressions at all. The only way they got around that was by constantly rotating the camera around them, like in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzweI3qCzwU and even then his attempt at a "smile" is nothing more than the peak of his mouth opening animation. Just because their general shape might be humanoid doesn't mean that it'll be easy or even possible to create all of the facial expressions in FFXIV without some of them being repeated. Human looking faces can be played with extensively, but that isn't the case with animal faces unless their muzzle is removed and replaced with more human characteristics.

[Shougun]

That still didn't stop the Ronso in FFX from having little to no facial expressions at all. The only way they got around that was by constantly rotating the camera around them, like in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzweI3qCzwU and even then his attempt at a "smile" is nothing more than the peak of his mouth opening animation. Just because their general shape might be humanoid doesn't mean that it'll be easy or even possible to create all of the facial expressions in FFXIV without some of them being repeated. Human looking faces can be played with extensively, but that isn't the case with animal faces unless their muzzle is removed and replaced with more human characteristics.

To be fair Ronso in FFX are probably meant to be very limited in facial animations - stuck on I'm upset and hungry haha (lore wise it makes sense, especially for Kimahri). I doubt SE can't make an emotive lion, they just chose not to. Not that the other characters in that game have ground breaking emotes either lol (it's an old game, it's okay hehe - their cutscenes are pretty emotive though).

Or in other words we've seen incredibly emotive animals animated in movies, showing the full range of expression, and sometimes they're literally animals not even anthropomorphized. I believe SE could emote a Ronso .

Although they might try to further humanize the face like BLESS Lupus..:


Personally I think that the above would be an awesome third subrace for Miqote, and they should go further wild for another full on race (ronso-like). Although I'd probably change my race if it was more like the above, I greatly prefer the animal noses and fuzz of FFXI over the pretty human miqote.

[Shippuu]

That still didn't stop the Ronso in FFX from having little to no facial expressions at all.

Are you seriously trying to argue that an npc race in an 18 year old ps2 game didn't have complex facial rigging as an argument to support that they could never have one now? Are you really that insane?

Human looking faces can be played with extensively, but that isn't the case with animal faces unless their muzzle is removed and replaced with more human characteristics.

Thats the entire point. They wouldn't have animal faces, they would still have mostly human faces but potentially more animal like characteristics. Again, I posted a literal perfect example with Bless Online's Pantera race.



This is far different than miqote, yet still absolutely human enough to still do the full range of emotes and facial expressions our player characters can do and can still fit into all the helmets without completely needing to reshape them or remodel them.

[Shougun]

The bara cat was from the discord wasn't it? I feel that one might just be a lucky guess... or that they're really going to make Blue Mage an advanced job lol (??!). Just on the arguments going on right now though, imo, if they had something Ronso-like (say Ronso without the horn or something) I'd argue that's far more unique to the game in options than Viera.. /shrug (I'd personally love to take a 1:1 ronso port though ). Also admittedly even though I say that I have to believe Viera would/will be far more popular lol.

Not a huge fan of the argument about what's going to be most popular is what should be designed though, since I think having weird races (like WoW or GW2, etc, etc) adds a visual palate variety to the pretty and cute. Right now it's like Roe for the visual disruption but even the males can get pretty fabulous, imo SE is using too much of the same color if we talked about races as a painting. It's all saturated variations of cute, sexy, and masculine sexy (imo). So not a huge fan of "it wont be popular so it shouldn't be made (or should be)". Partly why when people asked for Viera I was like "please something weird first" because I am and was worried that SE is going to be done with races. Now that we're here though the best outcome would be, imo, either lion-like Viera males as an option (even if it's just one subrace), or two complete races where we get ronso-lion-like (not Rev lol) males and females too.

Also we have a cat in game called Baras btw, just wanted to show that:


Because we have a cat race is why I'm hoping it's more "ronso" than just hairy tall miqote lol. Although perhaps my imagination isn't playing out very well and it'll be awesome (or it's fake news hahaha and there is no lion-viera and no lion-race).