Gender locked race?

[Shippuu]

3. Oh no doubt they are aware of it they would be bigger fools if they weren't backlash was always going to be a thing with every announcement you cannot please everybody the amount of backlash is what you got to try and minimize gender locking is on the big end of backlash this will cause way more discomfort in people than they don't look like how i envisioned.
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People are greatly overestimating the amount of backlash a decision like no male viera would cause. It would be far less of a backlash than what they chose to do with Blue Mage. And so the argument about being hounded for it in interviews holds little weight because the same thing will happen with blue mage.

SE wasn't afraid to take a job like Blue Mage and make it limited knowing full well the backlash it would cause, they certainly wouldn't be afraid of the backlash about male viera.

[Kogekigami]

People are greatly overestimating the amount of backlash a decision like no male viera would cause. It would be far less of a backlash than what they chose to do with Blue Mage. And so the argument about being hounded for it in interviews holds little weight because the same thing will happen with blue mage.

SE wasn't afraid to take a job like Blue Mage and make it limited knowing full well the backlash it would cause, they certainly wouldn't be afraid of the backlash about male viera.

Thing is the black lash for blu being limited is unwarrented cause people were already told it couldn't work in the way ffxiv was designed. Yoshi caved to constant demands and did the best he could while opening the door to other ff job that just don't work in the mmo design. the outcry for male veira is premeture as no one has said they are genderlock and people have been told to wait for Tokyo. People on the forms need to stop jump to conclusions on nothing

[Gwenorai]

People are greatly overestimating the amount of backlash a decision like no male viera would cause. It would be far less of a backlash than what they chose to do with Blue Mage. And so the argument about being hounded for it in interviews holds little weight because the same thing will happen with blue mage.

SE wasn't afraid to take a job like Blue Mage and make it limited knowing full well the backlash it would cause, they certainly wouldn't be afraid of the backlash about male viera.

It's one thing to something regarding this with BlueMage which can be changed in the future by giving them an actual skill tree - I can honestly see this in the future and I hope it happens as limited BLU sucks. It's another thing in this day and age - and I can't believe I'm saying this because eugh it's SJW as all heck - to do gender race blocks on a race that has male and female counterparts. Holding a race hostage to one specific gender is lame; it's gross - and doesn't belong in this day and age. If they didn't want to add males then they should have gone back and rewrote the lore for FF14 to have it that males don't exist period and that they reproduce asexually. I actually despise gender locked races just like I despise gender locked classes - I'm looking at you Black Desert.

FF14 did NOT need to follow the lore of the other games and simply had these Viera be different with no males. They didn't.

I'll give you an example of a only female race that was done correctly; Asari from Mass Effect. All female biologically. Most people are fine with that because it's there lore - they reproduce with others regardless of gender and produce female children. No one is up in arms about this, no one is screaming; because that's how they were made.

Viera were never made like that. Viera distinctly has lore that talks about the male species being around in the woods and that's it. To go around and then say 'Oh, we're going to that woodland where all the males are; you know, where thousands of the males are confined into one single space that shoots outsiders on sight most of the time, but you're still not going to see them.' What literally is the point of that?

Sorry if I sound aggressive, this isn't at you - I'm angry at the very idea that if they do this how utterly BS it is. It is indeed me jumping the gun but the mere thought of it makes my blood boil. When March hits and it turns out our worrying was nothing, I'll come back and apologise for being such a baby about this and how I worried for nothing! That I assure you.

[Kaedan]

Except that the lore says that male Viera are EXTREMELY rare, which is one of the reasons they stay in the woods.

So if you suddenly see thousands of male Viera running around, that completely destroys the lore, just to satisfy a relatively small portion of the population.

[Gwenorai]

Except that the lore says that male Viera are EXTREMELY rare, which is one of the reasons they stay in the woods.

So if you suddenly see thousands of male Viera running around, that completely destroys the lore, just to satisfy a relatively small portion of the population.

I already talked about this will repost;

So I was thinking on this again and something hit me regarding numbers of Viera and how the argument of 'they're too rare'.

Lore has it that the Viera population in Ivalice is 5%. Ivalice is quite large and has a very big population. Viera aren't exactly endangered - there's no lack of them; they're just confined to woods for the most part. No plot that I recall of where their numbers are 'dying'. Though, I will remind that Viera means 'of the wood' and that if a Viera leaves the wood they are no longer considered 'Viera'

Anyway! Let's do some lame maths.
Let's say Ivalice has a population of 3million - small; considering how huge it is; and for comparison, the population of the UK - which is tiny in size regards to land mass - has a population of 66million - so for this example, I'm aiming disgustingly low. Note; I picked this number because of medieval England - even smaller than the UK! - had a population of 3million + that was with war/famine/bad hygiene etc. And of course, Ivalice is based on medieval Europe. Ivalice by estimate is more than just 10x bigger than England - that's a given.

5% of 3million is 150000 give or take. Now Viera births are 8:2 in regards to female and male. So 20% of 150000 = 30000 let's now cull the poor males because of their lifestyle. I'll be drastic and cull them by 75% which is extremely high. We now have 7500 males. That's 7500 males doing border control. 7500 males that can live up to 300+ years that breed every 3-5 summers with females, who also live up to 300+.

I have to ask; how would this spoil immersion? I honestly don't understand how people could get upset if 5 of those '7500' males happens to be in their vicinity or something. Or even ten of them or twenty etc. You're not going to see 7500 male Viera around you at one given time.

Edit: The 5% is a percentage taken from the 'Encyclopedia of Eorzea II'


Technically Male Kittybois are rarer; with a 1:20 birth rate or something.

[stormygabe]

I already talked about this will repost;

You know... With the number of times that point has been rebuffed, it's amazing how people keep bringing it up. Another good rebuttal I've seen is with white mages. Doesn't it also "completely destroy" there lore for thousands of them to be running around? Black mages too.

[Kaedan]

Where are you getting the % of population of Viera? FF12?

While Dalmasca and Ivalice are making an appearance in FF14, it is not the full world of Ivalice that FF12 and Tactics inhabit.

No offense, but made up numbers are made up numbers. I go with what was stated in the Lore of FF14, which is that the population of male Viera is SO LOW (and the birth rate abysmal), that they will force the males to stay in the woods. Also, your example doesn't take into account the fact that the % of males that leave would be very small. So lets assume there are 30,000 males (non-culled number). Since the culture is such that it's highly taboo to leave, it's not unreasonable to say that only 1% leave. Which would be 3,000 total present in all of the rest of the world. But again, it's moot since made up numbers are made up and lore is lore.

It's already bad enough that the females are going to be a playable race. That also completely breaks with the lore (even the females are supposed to be reclusive).

If SE really wants to give players male Viera, then do so, that's great. But they'd have to CHANGE the lore, otherwise there's no point to the lore at all.

[Gwenorai]

Where are you getting the % of population of Viera? FF12?

While Dalmasca and Ivalice are making an appearance in FF14, it is not the full world of Ivalice that FF12 and Tactics inhabit.

No offense, but made up numbers are made up numbers. I go with what was stated in the Lore of FF14, which is that the population of male Viera is SO LOW (and the birth rate abysmal), that they will force the males to stay in the woods.

It's already bad enough that the females are going to be a playable race. That also completely breaks with the lore (even the females are supposed to be reclusive).

If SE really wants to give players male Viera, then do so, that's great. But they'd have to CHANGE the lore, otherwise there's no point to the lore at all.

No, I stated the percentage is from the Encylopedia of Eorzea II... this is FF14 lore - it's regarding FF14 Ivalice population...???

... Lore also states that more and more of them are leaving the wood... you should probably read up on known lore if you're going to use it as a shield.

[Kaedan]

Sorry, don't have the book. Can you SS the relevant parts you're referring to? All I have to go by is in-game lore (which contradicts the encyclopedia if what you say is true).

[Corue]

Except that the lore says that male Viera are EXTREMELY rare, which is one of the reasons they stay in the woods.

So if you suddenly see thousands of male Viera running around, that completely destroys the lore, just to satisfy a relatively small portion of the population.

You see,
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while I'm all for
*summons a car mount*
male Viera and all
*kills Kefka*
I just don't think
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they'd be lore friendly
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and it would ruin my immersion
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you know?
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