Gender locked race?

[GenericMagus]

"Hey guys remember that race you really wanted for like the better part of a decade? We're going to sell you half of it and to make up for it we're making the other half a race nobody has asked for."

I'm not seeing it.

Well Yoshi-P isn't adverse to the idea of gender locking, he is techniclly giving us Viera, and plus Matsuno might also be in agreement of "No Male Viera."

I mean, sure what the fans want is one thing, but you also have to respect the creator as well if he says no.

[GenericMagus]

"Hey guys remember that job you wanted for the better part of a decade? We're going to give it to you in a very limited way and prevent it from participating in highest level content."

Blue Mage's inclusion as a limited job was far more of a negative and risky choice than a gender locked race will ever be. Especially when that race has only been depicted by its females, so anyone asking for that race for a male version was entirely doing it off an imaginary and hypothetical version.

People are still getting the Viera the majority of people asking for the race would have wanted.

This exactly, a job matters way more than any race could. But I guess this community just wants to RP and look good than play a job that many others wanted and gets trashed because not in their interests. Seriously, people shouldn't be shocked if Viera are locked while BLU is locked.

[Shippuu]

This exactly, a job matters way more than any race could. But I guess this community just wants to RP and look good than play a job that many others wanted and gets trashed because not in their interests. Seriously, people shouldn't be shocked if Viera are locked while BLU is locked.

To help put into perspective that jobs are far more important, not every expansion has added a new race, and per their comments at the last fanfests, there may be no more future races added to the game. Yet they continuously add multiple new jobs every expansion, because those are actually more important pieces of content that they can't easily choose to not do.

[Shippuu]

Absolute toss. Comparing a job that's radically different to the current flow of gameplay to the gender of a race is nonsense.

It really isnt. It's a design decision that came with more risks than gender locking a race ever could.

BLU is BLU because people wanted a direct translation of it from XI.

I could easily make the exact same statement to justify only getting female viera. Considering female viera is the only thing that's ever been shown in any final fantasy game. So by extension a "direct translation" from another game means that only female viera would be around.

Since blue mage came out, we've seen more than enough people who would have preferred the job sacrificed a ton of its identity to be played as a normal job. The dev team decided to keep it true to it's roots, just as they could decide to keep viera true to it's past representations and make males nowhere to be seen.

I fail to see how this is riskier than implementing a race but not only shafting about half the people who are interested in but giving them something completely unrelated to the race they wanted.

Because a job is actual gameplay, while a race is purely cosmetic. One of those has a far greater impact on the game than the other (and it isn't the race). If races are so important, why was there no huge drop in subs when stormblood released with no new race? Were there huge movements to demand a new playable race come?

Once again, since male viera have never been depicted, there's no saying that SE's version of them would be "what the players wanted." You already see plenty of complaints with the female viera we are getting for exactly that reason.

There is not a single good reason as to why male Viera should be unplayable.

There are plenty. You just choose to not accept any of them as valid.

[Crushnight]

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Far more work goes into the initial creation a new race than a new job you have get emotes/hair/facial features/environmental interaction/mounts/minions/food eating/every single currently existing piece of gear altered(- belts)/every single animation of all current and future jobs/DoL and DoH animations sorted/Any existing npc that may comment on your race or interact with your height altered/cutscenes adjusted/make sure enemies interact properly to the model.
A new job has to go through checks of ability interactions with itself, other jobs and enemies/duty finder & party finder interactions/HoH & PotD interaction/PvP interaction/Euerka interaction/solo instance interactions.

One has a lot more work needed to add it into the game than the other and the one that requires more is the cosmetic one which is why they don't add one every expansion because having to adjust everything from 1.0 items/gear to current expansion is way more work than just 2.0 battle content to current expansion battle content.

[xbahax92]

Because a job is actual gameplay, while a race is purely cosmetic. One of those has a far greater impact on the game than the other (and it isn't the race). If races are so important, why was there no huge drop in subs when stormblood released with no new race? Were there huge movements to demand a new playable race come?

At the time there were a lot of requests if they'd add a new race or add more CC features though. I get your point about race and jobs. While I could imagine that people would be far more effected if SE would tell us 1/no job next expansion, people demand for variety. Variety because the current CC is very bland. You cant really customize your own character, build his own identity while someone else can just look like you (same face, same hair, same everything).
A new race has the potential to give short,refreshing feeling to the CCreator, even if most of the players will run as bun girls the first week - until they change back to their older race.
In any case, I dont really care if bun boys are bun boys. I just hope they wont look like Au Ra, thats my own preference. Ofcourse it would be nice to see the race fit to each other, but Viera are not a new race. I could imagine that the dev team is bound to Matsuno. If he envisions them as lionesque counterpart, we will have to accept it either way.
But the whole "genderlocked" thing does not sound believeable to me. After all the petitions and support the community has gathered to get Viera/Bunny outfit/etc... We will have to wait and see.

And you also have to accept peoples opinions rather shatter them down every time. I get your points, you are being on point with certain things. But statements that can be placed one or the other side, are not useful. This also applies to your arguments.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

This exactly, a job matters way more than any race could. But I guess this community just wants to RP and look good than play a job that many others wanted and gets trashed because not in their interests. Seriously, people shouldn't be shocked if Viera are locked while BLU is locked.

I love blue and i wish it wasnt locked....


However race does matter more than class/job in a rpg which ff is a rpg aka roleplaying game so truthfully the race does matter more than the job plus you can play all jobs so blue being locked isn't a big deal. But in order to play all races you got to spend 100s of real money lol

[GenericMagus]

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Yes, a job thats been designated a Caster DPS just like BLM, SMN, RDM, has most of its OP kit unusable in the actual fights that matters (trials and up), fails as a healer (runs out of MP so fast), fails as a tank (wtf is 5k HP gonna save you with) and it had a barebones rotation that fits in with average DPS for a level 50, where you mostly spam 1 spell over and over. Wow, really good reason for limited. The only role its good at is DPS, which it has caster gear for. Really Holy trinity breaking there.

I never asked for XIs BLU, but rather for a XIV incarnation of BLU. They have a good model set up right now that is totally possible to stay true, balanced and fun. Have you even played BLU, completed it fully, listened to complaints, or are you one of those "you deserve your job locked lol, I got my Male Viera. What, Male Viera is locked, how dare you SE."

And there is very good reasons why it should remain locked. It has its own lore from previous installments, from other parts of the house, needs the official creators backing, wanting to stay true otherwise it may not end up as Viera.

You're suggesting to completely disregard previous installments on foreign material to be implemented in the game.

That's hypocrisy right there, can't see why BLU should be unlocked yet demands Male Viera to be unlocked despite there's far stronger evidence why Male Viera should stay locked.

Copyright still applies interhouse. They can't have male viera or even Viera without jumping through tons of hoops first. Please read up.

[JBee]

I don't understand why after 80 pages people can't accept that we just don't know yet. People will be disappointed on the internet no matter what you do, just have to wait and see what direction they went. I know what I personally think will happen, but until there is official word on the subject - it's all just guesswork. Anyone saying they 100% know it will be one way or another - they don't. None of us in this thread do. Solid case made for both sides; just have to wait the month and change to see where the chips land.

[SieyaM]

If Viera is gender locked than I will be disappointed and it will probably leave me with a sour taste for the entire expansion. Especially when I will probably see hundered of Viera running around doing ERP advertisements which we all know is 110% what the race will be used for. But if that is what SE decides then that is what it is and I will just have to live with it. I am hoping against all reason that maybe they will use the male Viera to also showcase the new job they haven't announced yet. It makes a little reason to hold back on a male Viera reveal if they were also going to showcase an unannounced job with it.