Male Viera (BunBros) - We Want Them - With Heels!

[Iscah]

Those are legitimate questions in regard to both of his posts. He said something about the Mi'Qote being gender locked, until the community asked; in his second post. So I asked if it would be so awful to play a female only character.

I fail to see the relevance of those two things.

Miqo'te are the best example for him to bring up of why fans should (or at least feel they need to) directly ask for male Viera. That is, the previous race of characters with cute furry animal ears that the developers thought should be female-only, until their audience asked them to change it because they really wanted male characters as well.

"I like this male character design and want it in the game" doesn't instantly mean "the female design isn't good enough, I need a male design too". It just means they want the male character because it's a good design, and the developers have thus-far shown no indication that they're implementing it.

The enjoyment-or-not of playing as a female-only-race Viera versus a female Viera with a male counterpart is irrelevant. It doesn't sound like OP would be playing as a female Viera either way. Therefore, the question is (hypothetically) not whether the non-availability of males would affect his enjoyment of playing as a Viera, it's whether males will be available because that's a Viera character he would like to play as, but the females are not.

I was legitimately pondering if having a female only race (character) would take the OP out of their comfort zone. If it would, then there is a slight hypocrisy to his base argument of wanting male representation for said race.

In other words, he'd be comfortable having males with heels, as long as they came with the females. But not okay with having females only, heels or no heels, despite the lore basically saying they'd be female only.

You still seem to be assuming "heels" means heeled shoes. Or perhaps it's just what you were thinking at the time - which may (and I think is likely to) be the wrong interpretation.

And you're reading so many things into his post that aren't there. Not even in passing.

I can't see how "not wanting to play a female character" could make it hypocritical to want a male character design implemented because they like it.

And you're pulling "comfortable having males with heels, as long as they came with the females" utterly out of thin air. He never said anything like it. He posted an image and asked for them to be implemented still looking like they did in the image.

Of course he's not going to be "okay with females only" if he's hoping to get the male design which was both shown as a concept, and has been described in lore-text within the game itself - in a way that definitely sounds consistent with those concept sketches.

These are human-derived races, possibly via evolution, according to the lorebook. There are male and female genders. They exist, and it's not inconceivable that some males are going to choose to run away from that harsh cultural lifestyle that was described. It's completely justifiable that we'll encounter some.

(I have to wonder if the Dramaturge's text will change if-and-when they are implemented, to reflect that some have fled and become adventurers. Even if there are only females, surely he'll describe them differently!)

In other words: I have a female Viera, and I establish that females coexist with males, but the males are rarely seen and outside of mating choose not to be... EVER. Then I tell you, you can have the female Viera, because you requested a Viera. You tell me the female Viera is okay and all, but you really want a male to be satisfied. At this point you establish you are not comfortable with having a female only race. You probably won't touch the female. You most likely didn't care there would be a female. You just wanted the female to exist to get to the male.

Let's flip that over. Every race in the game so far has come as a "matched set" of two character designs, male and female. Some people will be hoping for cute bunny girls. Some will be hoping for powerful warrior types. Some will have been hoping for the cute bunny boys from that other concept art. All these calls together showed the developers that players want "Viera", so Viera should be implemented.

And now we get Viera, and it's only given one of the expected two designs, and only catered to half of the group that were hoping for its implementation - while the devs (hypothetically) sit back and go "see, we gave you the Viera you were all asking for! But only the girls because male bunnies would be weird, so we left them out."

Should people not be disappointed that they didn't actually get the thing they were hoping to get?

It still boils down to "this is a character type that I was hoping to get, and it could have been implemented, but now it isn't".

What makes it so special that Viera would be implemented as a female-only-playable race? Males still exist. You just can't play as them.

To me it seems just as "hypocritical" (or whatever the right word is) in a different way to suggest that the only way females can stand alone and seem like powerful characters is to completely segregate them from men. Do they suddenly become less strong if you introduce males to stand alongside them?

People are people, character designs are character designs, and some people will want to play as the male design which they thought was coming, but now might not be. The only thing it demonstrates is their personal taste in character type.