YoRHa/NieR alliance raid 5.0

[Rowde]

Oh you mean like this literal dude in Power Armor with a chainsword that works for the Garleans was in the MSQ, and is LITERALLY A REFERENCE TO AN INCREDIBLY BAD COMIC ABOUT DOOM THE VIDEO GAME?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp7UqAZvctE

Are you going to sit here and tell me that DOOM of all things is somehow more in lore than Nier? Or are you going to tell me that this fight didn't completely rule? Because it completely ruled and I laughed my head off when he shrieked RIP AND TERROR. And it was also a sad example of the lengths the Garleans will go.

Also opera robot is very easily just prototype mech tech the Allagans or garleans are using. Take your pick. A similar robot with that jank design could be made out of the Omni model with an upsized high-house bussle without issue and fit into the lore with virtually zero effort.

@frostmagemari
Yeah I didn't miss that, the post was edited while I was replying to it, but at any rate I was gonna run out and find pics of Hypertuned Grynewaht as well but Arkdra beat me to it. Dude is just a few more armor pieces away from being just what you described.


Honestly if you consider the appearance of enemies as they appear in the majority of MSQ dungeons, nothing from Nier would look anymore out of place than Phlegethon, Scylla, Amon, Xande from the CT series of raids. I give Mhach a big pass because they're all Voidsent for the most part and IMO Ivalice was directly incorporated into the lore of FFXIV now and most of them can be passed off as "Primals" which can be anything the summoner imagines. Sigmascape and Deltascape though...

For me the only boss enemy that I feel looks completely out of place in the entirety of MSQ is Number XXIV in Castrum Abania, but I personally give that a big pass because of my own FFVI nostalgia. But when I really really really think about it, he incorporates absolutely nothing of the established FFXIV Garlean aesthetic and sticks out like a sore thumb as a boss in a Garlean facility. I love it anyway though since I recognized as I was going through the area that they were going for a re-imagining of the Magitek Research Facility from FFVI.

[frostmagemari]

@frostmagemari
Yeah I didn't miss that, the post was edited while I was replying to it, but at any rate I was gonna run out and find pics of Hypertuned Grynewaht as well but Arkdra beat me to it. Dude is just a few more armor pieces away from being just what you described.

Right, that's what i meant by you missing it. I had added it after i finished my initial post, and you quoted before i had a chance to add it.
And no, he isn't. His aesthetic is entirely different than an Adeptus Astartes.. that's my point. You would not look at Grynewaht and say "that's a space marine", because he doesn't look like a space marine. So if you put an Adeptus Astartes with his boltgun and chainsword into XIV, it would look severely out of place because that's not the armour aesthetic that the Garleans use; hence why dropping the machines from Nier into XIV would make the entire thing look out of place and stand out like a sore thumb from other aesthetics.

Apparently internet memes are totally not immersion breaking but animes are strictly verbotten.

Yeah.. imagine that one inconsequential voice line in a fight that was probably put in there by the English vocalization teams would be judged differently than half the end-game focus of an entire expansion?
Isn't life just funny that way?

And you're out of date. The Rip and Tear thematic has been embraced within Doom 2016, with that being one of the tag lines they use for the game; it has almost no connection to the comic in anyone's minds. Besides, they already used the words Rip and Tear in a quest about killing giant toads long before Grynewaht made the scene.

Either way though, agree to disagree i suppose. I'm not going to convince you, and you're not convincing me.. so we may as well stop the back and forth before one of us just gets angry.

[Arkdra]

Yeah.. imagine that one inconsequential voice line in a fight that was probably put in there by the English vocalization teams would be judged differently than half the end-game focus of an entire expansion?
Isn't life just funny that way?

And you're out of date. The Rip and Tear thematic has been embraced within Doom 2016, with that being one of the tag lines they use for the game; it has almost no connection to the comic in anyone's minds. Besides, they already used the words Rip and Tear in a quest about killing giant toads long before Grynewaht made the scene.

Oh yeah, I'm sure the same team that has made 3 different huge guts jokes are totally referencing DOOM 2016.

Your definition of what is and isn't acceptable is 100% arbitrary, period. Final Fantasy 14 is an incredibly stupid game with no cohesive tone or aesthetic, and that is one of the things I love about it. You get darth vader impersonators next to classic knights next to cthulus next to the megazords next to naked oil massage enthusiasts doing a reasonable impression of looney tunes next to mustachio'd lalafellin villains that we are 100% expected to take seriously next to the goblin illuminati stealing cheese.

To put a fine point on it, for some reason this Waifu'd giant robot that flew through space from a distant planet doing it's best T-1000 impersonation is totally ok:



While this other generic anime looking robot isn't:



Bearing in mind that people can already look like

[frostmagemari]

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You're hung up on the one android's clothes.. when i've never mentioned her clothes, or even that wearing a combination of frilly dresses would look out of place; I'll go one further, XIV's clothing line is wide and varied and make a lot of different kinds of styles.

From start to finish though, i was talking about the robots. The giant hulking robots that look out of place against the technologies of the Garlean and Allagan empire. If you want to keep arguing for the waifu who i never said you couldn't find similar clothes for.. go for it, but you're arguing something i never attempted to shoot down (Even though that outfit you linked with is only a poor approximation of the outfit she actually has on).

[Arkdra]

You're hung up on the one android's clothes.. when i've never mentioned her clothes, or even that wearing a combination of frilly dresses would look out of place; I'll go one further, XIV's clothing line is wide and varied and make a lot of different kinds of styles.

From start to finish though, i was talking about the robots. The giant hulking robots that look out of place against the technologies of the Garlean and Allagan empire. If you want to keep arguing for the waifu who i never said you couldn't find similar clothes for.. go for it, but you're arguing something i never attempted to shoot down (Even though that outfit you linked with is only a poor approximation of the outfit she actually has on).

Ok. This rusty boi is out:



But this googly-eyed terror gets a pass.



So does this glorified 1930's television



And mecha Ape Escape



And this pile of jank that would fit just fine in Nier if you scraped the Garlean logo off



And we definitely can't have this guy



In the same game as



Because for some reason the same jerks who keep making giant metal cities and massive airships can't have a construction robot???

[Freyt]

Given that YoRHa are created by humans who live on the moon, I think that the theme is pretty similar to XIV. You've also got the robots from Garlemald to deal with.

[linay]

Well, maybe they're not from Garlean/Allagan. We know there are different planets and even different realities in FFXIV.

[Rowde]

You're hung up on the one android's clothes.. when i've never mentioned her clothes, or even that wearing a combination of frilly dresses would look out of place; I'll go one further, XIV's clothing line is wide and varied and make a lot of different kinds of styles.

From start to finish though, i was talking about the robots. The giant hulking robots that look out of place against the technologies of the Garlean and Allagan empire. If you want to keep arguing for the waifu who i never said you couldn't find similar clothes for.. go for it, but you're arguing something i never attempted to shoot down (Even though that outfit you linked with is only a poor approximation of the outfit she actually has on).

I find it oddly specific to get hung up on the alien machines when we don't know how big a role they're going to play in the raid as of yet. Or if they'll actually make an active appearance.

Again, considering the title of the series is "Yorha: Dark Apocalypse" and the promotional art makes it look like bizarro 2p skin 2B from Soul Calibur VI is facing off against Yorha androids... Yorha could very well be the primary antagonists of this raid series... because spoilers if you haven't played Nier: Automata...

Yorha sucks just as much as the machines by the end of the game...

And as long as the machines are self-contained in the context of this raid's environments, they will fit in with whatever reasons are established within the storyline of the raid series... It's not like they'll then start putting Nier-style enemies in MSQ dungeons after that.

[frostmagemari]

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1)The first picture's robots don't fit within the current aesthetic, as no so far, no Garlean or Allagan machine has had that kind of construction.
2)The second picture is a flesh and blood creature (which may have been from another FF)... you're really stretching with trying to use a Paissa as an argument for robots.
3)The third picture is a replica of something found within Omega's pocket dimensions... and Omega and his designs are a far cry away from the Automata robot designs.
4)The Magitek ride armour would not fit within Automata's robots... the design aesthetic is completely different than the monstrosities that the robots create.
5)Yes, the giant robot made out of girders and scaffolding would not fit within the current aesthetic of robots that the garleans employ, which are normally sleek and rounded.
6)This one is Alexander, and shares a completely different aesthetic from every other Automata robot that you listed.

I'm going to ask you something. Do you know what shared aesthetics are, and why the robots you have in automata do not have a shared aesthetic with the Garlean or Allagan or Alexander's creator? Because i'm thinking you're stopping at "this is a robot, and that is a robot.. they're the same thing!"

[frostmagemari]

I find it oddly specific to get hung up on the alien machines when we don't know how big a role they're going to play in the raid as of yet. Or if they'll actually make an active appearance.

I don't think it's at all odd to get hung up on how the main antagonists of the game they're using as the basis for one half of the end-game expansion content of Shadowbringers will be portrayed and if they will look out of place within the game.

Again, considering the title of the series is "Yorha: Dark Apocalypse" and the promotional art makes it look like bizarro 2p skin 2B from Soul Calibur VI is facing off against Yorha androids... Yorha could very well be the primary antagonists of this raid series... because spoilers if you haven't played Nier: Automata... Yorha sucks just as much as the machines by the end of the game...

She very well could be.. and you're right, we don't know.. but The game they're bringing in had her as the protagonist and the robots as the antagonists. I have little doubt in my mind that SQE will upend that and leave the robots out of the raid or lore.

And as long as the machines are self-contained in the context of this raid's environments, they will fit in with whatever reasons are established within the storyline of the raid series... It's not like they'll then start putting Nier-style enemies in MSQ dungeons after that.

You do realize that the whole thing i'm against is just porting in their looks, right? They could have the robots in the game if they made them look like something that the Garleans or Allagan would create. That's my issue, the fear that they won't try to blend the two, that they'll bring the robots in near wholesale and they will look out of place.
As for them being self contained, as far as i know.. that's not going to be a guaranteed thing anymore, as the whole Ivalice thing is supposed to be spilling out into general world lore and influencing the future lore of the game and omega's activation was a rather large story piece before stormblood.

This time i'm done though, i hope you both have a good night.