YoRHa/NieR alliance raid 5.0

[frostmagemari]

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You're hung up on the one android's clothes.. when i've never mentioned her clothes, or even that wearing a combination of frilly dresses would look out of place; I'll go one further, XIV's clothing line is wide and varied and make a lot of different kinds of styles.

From start to finish though, i was talking about the robots. The giant hulking robots that look out of place against the technologies of the Garlean and Allagan empire. If you want to keep arguing for the waifu who i never said you couldn't find similar clothes for.. go for it, but you're arguing something i never attempted to shoot down (Even though that outfit you linked with is only a poor approximation of the outfit she actually has on).

[Arkdra]

You're hung up on the one android's clothes.. when i've never mentioned her clothes, or even that wearing a combination of frilly dresses would look out of place; I'll go one further, XIV's clothing line is wide and varied and make a lot of different kinds of styles.

From start to finish though, i was talking about the robots. The giant hulking robots that look out of place against the technologies of the Garlean and Allagan empire. If you want to keep arguing for the waifu who i never said you couldn't find similar clothes for.. go for it, but you're arguing something i never attempted to shoot down (Even though that outfit you linked with is only a poor approximation of the outfit she actually has on).

Ok. This rusty boi is out:



But this googly-eyed terror gets a pass.



So does this glorified 1930's television



And mecha Ape Escape



And this pile of jank that would fit just fine in Nier if you scraped the Garlean logo off



And we definitely can't have this guy



In the same game as



Because for some reason the same jerks who keep making giant metal cities and massive airships can't have a construction robot???

[frostmagemari]

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1)The first picture's robots don't fit within the current aesthetic, as no so far, no Garlean or Allagan machine has had that kind of construction.
2)The second picture is a flesh and blood creature (which may have been from another FF)... you're really stretching with trying to use a Paissa as an argument for robots.
3)The third picture is a replica of something found within Omega's pocket dimensions... and Omega and his designs are a far cry away from the Automata robot designs.
4)The Magitek ride armour would not fit within Automata's robots... the design aesthetic is completely different than the monstrosities that the robots create.
5)Yes, the giant robot made out of girders and scaffolding would not fit within the current aesthetic of robots that the garleans employ, which are normally sleek and rounded.
6)This one is Alexander, and shares a completely different aesthetic from every other Automata robot that you listed.

I'm going to ask you something. Do you know what shared aesthetics are, and why the robots you have in automata do not have a shared aesthetic with the Garlean or Allagan or Alexander's creator? Because i'm thinking you're stopping at "this is a robot, and that is a robot.. they're the same thing!"

[Rowde]

1)The first picture's robots don't fit within the current aesthetic, as no so far, no Garlean or Allagan machine has had that kind of construction.
2)The second picture is a flesh and blood creature (which may have been from another FF)... you're really stretching with trying to use a Paissa as an argument for robots.
3)The third picture is a replica of something found within Omega's pocket dimensions... and Omega and his designs are a far cry away from the Automata robot designs.
4)The Magitek ride armour would not fit within Automata's robots... the design aesthetic is completely different than the monstrosities that the robots create.
5)Yes, the giant robot made out of girders and scaffolding would not fit within the current aesthetic of robots that the garleans employ, which are normally sleek and rounded.
6)This one is Alexander, and shares a completely different aesthetic from every other Automata robot that you listed.

I'm going to ask you something. Do you know what shared aesthetics are, and why the robots you have in automata do not have a shared aesthetic with the Garlean or Allagan or Alexander's creator? Because i'm thinking you're stopping at "this is a robot, and that is a robot.. they're the same thing!"

Why are we jumping to conclusions that the Nier raid will have anything to do with Garlean empire at all? There's no direct correlation until they start throwing Nier style enemies into Castrums in MSQ.


I posted this in another thread already... My running theory for 5.0 story is that a major part of the game is going to take place on whatever world the Warriors of Darkness were from. The possibility of traveling between stars/worlds/dimensions has already been established since the Warriors of Darkness came to our world in the MSQ already. I think the Y'shtola(Matoya), Urianger, and Thancred we've seen so far are bizarro versions from that world, since apparently healers are dps, dps are tanks, and ppl generally wear the completely opposite color of what they wear on our world over there... I think the raid will exist in that world instead which is why the 2B featured in the promotional art has the opposite palette from the flagship 2B from Nier: Automata.

We don't know anything about their world except that it was overrun by the Light instead of the Dark. Maybe there is no empire over there. Maybe there were no Allagans and the Ancient civilization was the Earth from the Nier: Automata series. We don't know yet. So it can't really be said that the aesthetics don't mesh when we have no idea what their actual context will be within the storyline yet.

I will concede that there are definitely ways to do it wrong, but there are also ways for them to do it right. We won't know until it's released.

Please look forward to eeeettt!

[Daralii]

1)The first picture's robots don't fit within the current aesthetic, as no so far, no Garlean or Allagan machine has had that kind of construction.
2)The second picture is a flesh and blood creature (which may have been from another FF)... you're really stretching with trying to use a Paissa as an argument for robots.
3)The third picture is a replica of something found within Omega's pocket dimensions... and Omega and his designs are a far cry away from the Automata robot designs.
4)The Magitek ride armour would not fit within Automata's robots... the design aesthetic is completely different than the monstrosities that the robots create.
5)Yes, the giant robot made out of girders and scaffolding would not fit within the current aesthetic of robots that the garleans employ, which are normally sleek and rounded.
6)This one is Alexander, and shares a completely different aesthetic from every other Automata robot that you listed.

I'm going to ask you something. Do you know what shared aesthetics are, and why the robots you have in automata do not have a shared aesthetic with the Garlean or Allagan or Alexander's creator? Because i'm thinking you're stopping at "this is a robot, and that is a robot.. they're the same thing!"

Allag built drones that are inverted tricycles with saw blades for wheels and have cubes for heads. Garlemald started off Stormblood with multiple instances of research into cyborgs, from Doma Castle to Castrum Abania, and now we know that Varis is bringing back Allagan cloning as a pet project. There's already plenty of weird designs and a lack of design coherence just within the XIV designs, never mind the ones pulled from VI, VII, XIII, and even IX(the Prima Vista).

[Alexandre_Noireau]

Allag built drones that are inverted tricycles with saw blades for wheels and have cubes for heads. Garlemald started off Stormblood with multiple instances of research into cyborgs, from Doma Castle to Castrum Abania, and now we know that Varis is bringing back Allagan cloning as a pet project. There's already plenty of weird designs and a lack of design coherence just within the XIV designs, never mind the ones pulled from VI, VII, XIII, and even IX(the Prima Vista).

That's only because Garlean stuff is basically a mistery to us as players and culture. We have seen a lot of their "Military" infraestructure. But other stuff is as much as a mistery to us. Like their more "civil" architecture, aside takes on the imperial palace doesn't look thaaaat alien. And most of their labs are basically darker, less led iluminated allag stuff. Honestly all their Magitek/Biotek stuff is not that really tearing as inside Hydaelyn verse goes, i mean, every region/culture is pretty significatively explained as to why they have worked so hard to ground these.

Even if we have seen robots, clones, dolls, biotech stuff, etc. Doesn't mean it's all the same, equally viable. Is like saying: Allags worked on cloning and cyborn tech, "light" enemies are very "angelical" and our enemies are obsessed with "reunification" processes...
...SE could do an Neon Genesis Evangelion raid. Maybe Ascians are SEELE.

See where this leads...?

[Rowde]

You're hung up on the one android's clothes.. when i've never mentioned her clothes, or even that wearing a combination of frilly dresses would look out of place; I'll go one further, XIV's clothing line is wide and varied and make a lot of different kinds of styles.

From start to finish though, i was talking about the robots. The giant hulking robots that look out of place against the technologies of the Garlean and Allagan empire. If you want to keep arguing for the waifu who i never said you couldn't find similar clothes for.. go for it, but you're arguing something i never attempted to shoot down (Even though that outfit you linked with is only a poor approximation of the outfit she actually has on).

I find it oddly specific to get hung up on the alien machines when we don't know how big a role they're going to play in the raid as of yet. Or if they'll actually make an active appearance.

Again, considering the title of the series is "Yorha: Dark Apocalypse" and the promotional art makes it look like bizarro 2p skin 2B from Soul Calibur VI is facing off against Yorha androids... Yorha could very well be the primary antagonists of this raid series... because spoilers if you haven't played Nier: Automata...

Yorha sucks just as much as the machines by the end of the game...

And as long as the machines are self-contained in the context of this raid's environments, they will fit in with whatever reasons are established within the storyline of the raid series... It's not like they'll then start putting Nier-style enemies in MSQ dungeons after that.

[frostmagemari]

I find it oddly specific to get hung up on the alien machines when we don't know how big a role they're going to play in the raid as of yet. Or if they'll actually make an active appearance.

I don't think it's at all odd to get hung up on how the main antagonists of the game they're using as the basis for one half of the end-game expansion content of Shadowbringers will be portrayed and if they will look out of place within the game.

Again, considering the title of the series is "Yorha: Dark Apocalypse" and the promotional art makes it look like bizarro 2p skin 2B from Soul Calibur VI is facing off against Yorha androids... Yorha could very well be the primary antagonists of this raid series... because spoilers if you haven't played Nier: Automata... Yorha sucks just as much as the machines by the end of the game...

She very well could be.. and you're right, we don't know.. but The game they're bringing in had her as the protagonist and the robots as the antagonists. I have little doubt in my mind that SQE will upend that and leave the robots out of the raid or lore.

And as long as the machines are self-contained in the context of this raid's environments, they will fit in with whatever reasons are established within the storyline of the raid series... It's not like they'll then start putting Nier-style enemies in MSQ dungeons after that.

You do realize that the whole thing i'm against is just porting in their looks, right? They could have the robots in the game if they made them look like something that the Garleans or Allagan would create. That's my issue, the fear that they won't try to blend the two, that they'll bring the robots in near wholesale and they will look out of place.
As for them being self contained, as far as i know.. that's not going to be a guaranteed thing anymore, as the whole Ivalice thing is supposed to be spilling out into general world lore and influencing the future lore of the game and omega's activation was a rather large story piece before stormblood.

This time i'm done though, i hope you both have a good night.

[REPROBEAN_CHILD]

Let people enjoy things. People wanted a Nier crossover and we have it dedicated through a Raid. People wanted to have an FFXV collab and were getting it with Regalia as a four-person mount. I get that some people have criticisms over these crossovers, but it's obnoxious to drown out the people who were asking for these collabs FOR YEARS. The aesthetic from Nier Automata won't clash with FFXIV in anyway, due to the shear amount of ridiculousness already within this mmo. Alexander, a gigantic robot god is okay, but Engles, another gigantic robot isn't? We also have no idea how the raid will play out (we don't even have screenshots yet). It's way too soon to expect the worst.

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You didn't give a solid reason how Nier's aesthetic will clash with FFXIV. All you did was express the fact you didn't want the crossover.

[Kinazu]

Let people enjoy things. People wanted a Nier crossover and we have it dedicated through a Raid. People wanted to have an FFXV collab and were getting it with Regalia as a four-person mount. I get that some people have criticisms over these crossovers, but it's obnoxious to drown out the people who were asking for these collabs FOR YEARS. The aesthetic from Nier Automata won't clash with FFXIV in anyway, due to the shear amount of ridiculousness already within this mmo. Alexander, a gigantic robot god is okay, but Engles, another gigantic robot isn't? We also have no idea how the raid will play out (we don't even have screenshots yet). It's way too soon to expect the worst.

I'll just throw in my two cents: The reason why Stormblood's Raids failed to draw my attention was because it felt disconnected to the world I came to know: Hydaelyn.
Omega is, arguably nothing more than a machine-made world where we fight fanservice for the sake of fanservice. No matter the story build-up it just seems extremely out of place. The same holds true for the Ivalice Raid. I haven't played any other FF game besides XIV, and from an outsider's perspective, it holds no value over the likes of Coils, which seems to be more fitting due to having a closure from 1.0.
Alexander works because it uses the Primal lore, but it also has XIV-unique fights, the most memorable being Brute Justice.

Exdeath, Kefka heck, even Omega didn't really keep me on the tip of my chair like Bahamut, Brute Justice and Alexander did.

I'm all for crossovers, just not as a main part of the game. Keep the raids to XIV and make it revolve around XIV. Having a crossover being a full raid just feels off. Why not a trial like Rathalos, that one doesn't feel out of place. It even feels plausible for a Rathalos to roam about Hydaelyn.
I know full well that there's fanservice everywhere, but just nudges and small hints are more likely enough, we don't need a full on raid to be one big fanservice/crossover, now do we? We've got two of them in Stormblood, and I honestly don't want another two in Shadowbringers.

What's next? Kingdom Hearts III 8-man Raid?
World of Warcraft crossover combined with MSQ?
Oh, if we're at it can we have Twin Fighter from Dragonica as an actual Job? I'd love that. Might as well at this point, right?

I'm just afraid that with each step into this direction XIV will feel less like XIV and more like a collab of 100 different things. :<