YoRHa/NieR alliance raid 5.0

[Voltyblast]

You assume that YoRHa in XIV and YoRHa from NieR will be the exact same organization rather than, you know, given a new origin specific for XIV that has nothing to do with Earth.

Let me just say that you make a valid point so maybe you're right...on the other hand, I find the choice lacking because of the overall tone of the two games: one game is bright, colorful and feels "natural", the other is grey, yellow and metallic. I'm not saying it won't work but I find the choice just unfitting.
More to that later

The Crystal Tower didn't suddenly make our world connected to the world of FFIII. Usage of the Void didn't make XIV connected to other FFs with their own Voids. Omega's appearance didn't connect to any other specific FF games and even had a rivalry with a different dragon than he usually had (Shinryu being the usual one though XIV's Shinryu was essentially inspired by Midgarsomr.) The closest we have to be connected to other FF games is VI when it comes to Sigmascape as they didn't really try to connect that to Hydaelyn lore, unlike Deltascape which does have justification in the lore without the world being connected to V. Even then if we somehow are connected to VI its so far in the past as to not matter now.

And yet they fit the overall world and tone.
For starters, I will say that I don't know the entire final fantasy references (I know the basic ones, like Chocobos and Gil and etc) because I practically stopped caring about 12 and 14 was my first FF in a long while, so I practically lost my memories of anything final fantasy.
Case in point, I found that they did fit the overall atmosphere of the science-fantasy game: it didn't clash against each other - at least not entirely: look at omega - and I wouldn't even know if I didn't search for it.
With Nier well...I'll start seeing Cyborgs with flying robots? Mecha suit that flies? Cyborgs in gothic clothes? Giant tank robots? See my problem with it?
I can't even say I'll have an open eye because I probably won't even be there, but I'd be happily surprised if I'm wrong!

Also the Drakengard 1 E end isn't well explained. The PC is just suddenly sent into the future as well as across continents, and after winning gets shot down by F-16s. Now NieR works very well of it and The Watchers certainly screw up so many things when it comes to known physics, but it still wasn't explained all that well.

I played that game a long time ago so my memory is very hazy, but it was something about Angelus's death in that ending and I think that's what caused everything later on. Correct me if I'm wrong because I really have a hazy memory about it
Also, I still think Nier Gestalt/Replicant would be better: I can already see Grimoire Weiss as a weapon for SMN/SCH! And Kainè sword for DRK - and her dress too, which was unncessarily skimpy but okay.
And there are no sexy gothic-dressed cyborgs so that's a plus!

PS: Not gonna comment on the pod because I don't care about pets.
PPS: Also nothing against 2B: I just don't like her and her silly dress. I liked the armored version more.

[Arkdra]

With Nier well...I'll start seeing Cyborgs with flying robots? Mecha suit that flies? Cyborgs in gothic clothes? Giant tank robots? See my problem with it?
I can't even say I'll have an open eye because I probably won't even be there, but I'd be happily surprised if I'm wrong!

Literally all of this is already in the game how are you people sitting here arguing for lore you don't even pay attention to? Cyborg? Grynewhalt and the Astrologos mount. Mecha suit that flies? Cruise Chaser. Flying robots? Omega. Giant tank robots? Gobtanks Mark like 9 different ones, take your pick. I guess we don't have cyborgs in gothic dresses, but we do have cyborgs AND gothic dresses so how much of a stretch is this really? Hell we already got Androids too (thanks o12).

Our main expansion antagonists are timeless assholes that have existed for millenia who built an empire out of grave-robbing a society that had mastered cloning, robotics, and genetic manipulation and yet somehow, we can't fit a game about sad robots into this?

[Ekimmak]

Honestly, after thinking it over... I don't see much problem with having this in the game other than HAVING IT in the game.

Considering how many fallen super advanced empires we already have, I can totally see the Nier Automata aesthetics being plausible. The bosses probably work well for a 24-man raid design.

The only gripe I can really have is that they're making this rather than integrating other FF stuff... but eh. Maybe this'll inspire me to finish Nier someday.

[frostmagemari]

Literally all of this is already in the game how are you people sitting here arguing for lore you don't even pay attention to? Cyborg? Grynewhalt and the Astrologos mount. Mecha suit that flies? Cruise Chaser. Flying robots? Omega. Giant tank robots? Gobtanks Mark like 9 different ones, take your pick. I guess we don't have cyborgs in gothic dresses, but we do have cyborgs AND gothic dresses so how much of a stretch is this really? Hell we already got Androids too (thanks o12).

That's true, we do have all those things.. but the XIV themed robots (etc) all have a themed aesthetic to fit within the world of XIV; I can't speak for Voltyblast, but i feel that inserting Nier's aesthetic would create a mismatched contrast in the game.

Like.. Take a game like Red Dead Redemption. They have horses as the most used way of traveling.. the game has a certain aesthetic because they're normal horses adorned with normal gear you would use for horseback riding. Now add in a fantasy-esque horse, with layers of steel and spikes and so on (you get the picture) to the game. They're both horses.. so what's the problem with adding the second one?

Or better yet.. would it make sense to see Space Marine Power Armour and Bolters and chainswords being worn by the Garleans? They have tech to make armoured suits already.. so what's the the problem? The problem would be aesthetics. It wouldn't look like it's something the Garleans would make, it would look like it's ripped out of another world and they would stand out like a sore thumb every time you saw them because their look doesn't fit what the world presents as it's look.

Now who knows.. it may work perfectly and it'll feel like a XIV story that brought it's inspiration from Nier; but until we see it in action, there will be that fear that they'll just drop it in and make it feel alien. Kind of like how it's going to be odd driving around in an Audi instead of a Garlean magitek vehicle.

[Alexandre_Noireau]

"NO, WE DIDNT WANT THIS KIND OF DIFFERENT, WE WANT OTHER DIFFERENT"

Goes to local restaurant: "Hello, um i would like something different this time around... Surprise me."
Local restaurant: "Of course sir, here, we have nails covered in petrol oil."

I said it before, nothing can be extrapolated in such a way OR defended by over simplifying the clear issues with game. I sin of the first a lot. But i sincerely, honestly think: The game is good enough to be sustainable, interesting and even much deeper without the need of doing this much of "multiversing". And i honestly think this is a practice funded by marketing rather than pure "design" choices, let alone for the "quality of life" of the player. This has nothing to hate with hating a producer, product on itself or even people who likes as they are. This has to do with how many of us, are not really that "conformist", people use the word entitled a lot around this parts, and often forget is both a positive and negative thing.

Now, i mean.. it can be confusing sometimes when you see some of the really vitriolic hatred; rather than the criticisms (or snarky comments), but there must be something keeping them here.

Everyone here is a Forum Warrior, or at least the most vocal annoying voices for either side: The haters, the white knights, the trolls, the spammers... They are all mere classes in the game of the forum. I think we all let go a lot of heat, either against or in favor. The word catharsis comes to mind.
One thing i know for sure: I do not demand things made to be re-made, i do not demand things planned to be changed immediately and i deeply believe in the developers freedom of choice, is their product/piece of art/world. And i think the reason of so many torn by some of these changes, implementations, etc, etc, etc. Is because we just see the game differently, experience it differently, and sometimes want more from it that is really in the scope of reality, resources or technicalities.

I don't know if YoRHA is gonna be good or bad, for all i want, i sincerely hope is the greatest raid ever made in an MMORPG which couldn't make me happier - Problem is, what we interpret as a raid, as great, as good, etc. In the end, if im asked if i like the game or not, damn, i have file with my own changes "if i were someday to switch my life with naoki yoshida, what would i do with FFXIV" where i delve in basically game design fanfiction worth of the deepest depths of tumblr, yes, im saying this.

I do it for a reason, i sincerely like the game. I want it to be better, deeper, interesting, to explore every avenue, and this might be one way to do it -Marketing obviously think it THE way- and that shot might have been called by the devs like at all... And is my issue sometimes. Why i say: "Hydaelyn is good enough." It's an amazing setting on it's own, has a world so deep, so rich, so interesting, that bringing alien elements and anyone can notice how truly they are seems completely unnecessary and sometimes really hurts the setting itself. Is why i have this struggle with YoRHA or with what i call "cheap fan service" and i differentiate from "tributing". I'm all for tributes and collaborations. Im against fan service and extreme marketing... Honestly the last bit is kinda insulting to me, personally.

I really hope, YoRHa is like amazing, and blends incredibly well with Hydaelyn to the point i don't care and even appreciate this. But i already hope we don't see more lore dumps on the scale of Ivalice, literally hammering into the game Ivalice as to "work" with Hydaelyn. And i don't know if we can have the first without the second. And even IF, i'm still asking a lot of people this: Isn't Hydaelyn good enough? Ya know how much of Hydaelyn we KNOW is there we haven't yet explore? And then we have a continent and a whole hemisphere of which we basically know nothing.... Yah... My issue is that...

Man, i'll let it go. Hopefully everything will be fine.

[Rowde]

That's true, we do have all those things.. but the XIV themed robots (etc) all have a themed aesthetic to fit within the world of XIV; I can't speak for Voltyblast, but i feel that inserting Nier's aesthetic would create a mismatched contrast in the game.
Like.. Take a game like Red Dead Redemption. They have horses as the most used way of traveling.. the game has a certain aesthetic because they're normal horses adorned with normal gear you would use for horseback riding. Now add in a fantasy-esque horse, with layers of steel and spikes and so on (you get the picture) to the game. They're both horses.. so what's the problem with adding the second one?

Now who knows.. it may work perfectly and it'll feel like a XIV story that brought it's inspiration from Nier; but until we see it in action, there will be that fear that they'll just drop it in and make it feel alien. Kind of like how it's going to be odd driving around in an Audi instead of a Garlean magitek vehicle.

Yeah that doesn't work as a comparison.

You're example is taking a western and infusing with fantasy elements.

By comparison FFXIV and Nier is taking is a fantasy game with HEAVY sci-fi elements already and infusing it with even more sci-fi elements.

To wit, I've already seen players put together convincing 2B and 9S glamours on my server with the gear already available in game. The "Yorha aesthetic" already exists.


However, I will concede that the alien machines from Automata are quite different from any current technology that exists in FFXIV. The closest resemblance in design would be Goblin Tech, or GobTek™. But like it's been said we don't actually know anything about the storyline yet. I've already posted that I thought that the silhouettes in the promotional image looked suspiciously like Job-specific redesigns of 2B's standard Yorha outfit, but it could also be that we're fighting against the Yorha system as it tries to continue it's perpetual proxy war anew, and the silhouettes in the background are other Yorha android models we fight as bosses.

[Alexandre_Noireau]

Or better yet.. would it make sense to see Space Marine Power Armour and Bolters and chainswords being worn by the Garleans? They have tech to make armoured suits already.. so what's the the problem? The problem would be aesthetics. It wouldn't look like it's something the Garleans would make, it would look like it's ripped out of another world and they would stand out like a sore thumb every time you saw them because their look doesn't fit what the world presents as it's look

[Arkdra]

Only.. it does work as a comparison.
They're both horses, they don't fly or talk, they can both be ridden and would serve as a horse in every way.. but injecting an art style that isn't in line with what the game shows thus far would be out of place. That is the point.

(from my addition that you just missed)
Or better yet.. would it make sense to see Space Marine Power Armour and Bolters and chainswords being worn by the Garleans? They have tech to make armoured suits already.. so what's the the problem? The problem would be aesthetics. It wouldn't look like it's something the Garleans would make, it would look like it's ripped out of another world and they would stand out like a sore thumb every time you saw them because their look doesn't fit what the world presents as it's look

As for already having the aesthetic.. no, we don't. Clothes are clothes, but something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWeOs7wpu70&vl=en is not a look of any of the tech styles within the game share.

Oh you mean like this literal dude in Power Armor with a chainsword that works for the Garleans was in the MSQ, and is LITERALLY A REFERENCE TO AN INCREDIBLY BAD COMIC ABOUT DOOM THE VIDEO GAME?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp7UqAZvctE

Are you going to sit here and tell me that DOOM of all things is somehow more in lore than Nier? Or are you going to tell me that this fight didn't completely rule? Because it completely ruled and I laughed my head off when he shrieked RIP AND TERROR. And it was also a sad example of the lengths the Garleans will go.

Also opera robot is very easily just prototype mech tech the Allagans or garleans are using. Take your pick. A similar robot with that jank design could be made out of the Omni model with an upsized high-house bussle without issue and fit into the lore with virtually zero effort.

[frostmagemari]

Oh you mean like this literal dude in Power Armor with a chainsword that works for the Garleans was in the MSQ, and is LITERALLY A REFERENCE TO AN INCREDIBLY BAD COMIC ABOUT DOOM THE VIDEO GAME?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp7UqAZvctE

Are you going to sit here and tell me that DOOM of all things is somehow more in lore than Nier? Or are you going to tell me that this fight didn't completely rule? Because it completely ruled and I laughed my head off when he shrieked RIP AND TERROR. And it was also a sad example of the lengths the Garleans will go.

Nothing in that fight was ripped from another series and plopped down into XIV, it also isn't the focus of one of the two raid experiences released through the course of an expansion. The character is wearing 70% of the Garlean armour we have seen him with for the majority of the MSQ he was involved in. He does have the addition of the tanks and a large chain broadsword (which looks nothing like an adeptus astartes chainsword), but none of that is just taken from another series; but it still fits the aesthetics of the game, since it's obvious Garlean tech grafted to him.

I am talking about picking something up from one game where it's aesthetic is noticeably different from what it's being set into; and if the Adeptus Astartes with their Bolters and their Chainswords were set into the game with little to no alteration, they would look out of place.

Also opera robot is very easily just prototype mech tech the Allagans or garleans are using. Take your pick. A similar robot with that jank design could be made out of the Omni model with an upsized high-house bussle without issue and fit into the lore with virtually zero effort

Except you're literally trying to make up excuses for it right now for why it should be allowed to look different than the current tech aesthetics we have now in xiv.

[Arkdra]

Apparently internet memes are totally not immersion breaking but animes are strictly verbotten.