4.5 Patch notes are live

[DarthSanguine]

Anyone noticed that two quests are called Emissary of light and Will of the moon at the bottom?

Those are from previous patches.

[Reynhart]

That's right, but iirc the items are drops from monsters anyway, so it's still all about beating enemies to collect skills, right?

Most of the time, yes, but you can beat/mug them without them using their skill, or even without Quistis in the party. And there's Card Mod.

After everything, this feels like they're moving the goalposts.

Exactly, which is inconsistent with the justification behind their current restrictions. (that a real Blue Mage job HAS to be implemented with direct enemy observation in the overworld and thus cannot be balanced)

It really depends on how many spells you can learn that way. If it's one or two, that's a nice nod, and it doesn't really betray the justification. If you can learn a high number of skills with quests and items, it's a little more problematic. It still doesn't change the "choosing your spells issue for matchmaking", though.

On a sidenote, the balance issue is not tied with how BLU learns its spell, but the specific effect of some iconic ones. (Lvl 5 Death being the most famous example)

[HyoMinPark]

Anyone noticed that two quests are called Emissary of light and Will of the moon at the bottom?

Those aren’t new quests. Those are the two MSQ that you

Play as Alphinaud and Y’shtola in:
“Emissary of the Dawn” is the Patch 4.3 quest with Alphinaud, and
“Will of the Moon” is the patch 4.4 quest with Y’shtola.

There was an issue with the duty list displaying in Japanese while you’re in those quests’ respective instances.

[RukiaFae]

Awww poo. Thanks

[BubblyBoar]

The thing is you can't unlock BLU unless you compete a level 50 MSQ anyway, and with BLU being limited to 50 anyway at that point there is no MSQ to even do with it. Of course you could still go in to duties as a pre-formed party, just no match making and roulettes etc.

There are the terrible 2.1-2.5 MSQ as well as the HW MSQ once the cap raises to 60 (as they have said they have planned already)

[Crushnight]

There are the terrible 2.1-2.5 MSQ as well as the HW MSQ once the cap raises to 60 (as they have said they have planned already)

do you think it is because of HW having lv 50 quests that is why they restricted it it's the only thing that seems consistant with the locking of blu outta things if it has something to do with HW or SB be it level, zone, creatures it is locked out of content that might enfringe on these

[TheHeavenAbyss]

Most of the time, yes, but you can beat/mug them without them using their skill, or even without Quistis in the party. And there's Card Mod.

Well yes, but whether BLU sees the skill or not is something that has varied a lot in FF (Quistis in VIII doesn't have to see the skill, neither Quina in IX or Kimahri in X). But they still have the element of "collecting skills by beating certain enemies". What I'm considering "true BLU" here and what the totem system likely goes against is the idea of collecting skills by going after enemy mobs and bosses (regardless of how the skill is collected when you face them).

[Ameela]

When you buff Monk but it doesn't even matter for people who use the class frequently.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Not sure if the WHM changes where actually worth spending time on. They seem to be a list of near nothings unfortunately.

It's mostly just enmity reduction, which hasn't been an issue. But the buff Assize is pretty nice.


And I suppose Plenary Indulgence is more useful, since the confessions don't go away before you can get a reason to stack them.

[BubblyBoar]

do you think it is because of HW having lv 50 quests that is why they restricted it it's the only thing that seems consistant with the locking of blu outta things if it has something to do with HW or SB be it level, zone, creatures it is locked out of content that might enfringe on these

Nah, cause a BLU can be in an HW, SB, and even ShadowBirngers zone (once its out) at level 1, another job just needs to get their first.