Thread: 4.5 Patch notes are live

Originally Posted by Teraluna

Not sure if the WHM changes where actually worth spending time on. They seem to be a list of near nothings unfortunately.

It's mostly just enmity reduction, which hasn't been an issue. But the buff Assize is pretty nice.


And I suppose Plenary Indulgence is more useful, since the confessions don't go away before you can get a reason to stack them.

Regarding the changes to the penalty for abandoning duty, I think it just means the penalty now applies only to the first person to abandon a duty after it has begun*, and not subsequent deserter(s).

If I'm not mistaken, currently, if someone else leaves a duty first, and then you decide to leave as well, but a replacement was found and thus returning the party to full status before you leave, you will also get penalized. Now, that won't be the case any more. As soon as someone leaves after the duty began*, you can leave without penalty.

*What determines when a duty begins is another matter. It's probably just when the instance itself begins, but it could also count each separate pull as separate starting points.

Originally Posted by linay

If I'm not mistaken, currently, if someone else leaves a duty first, and then you decide to leave as well, but a replacement was found and thus returning the party to full status before you leave, you will also get penalized. Now, that won't be the case any more. As soon as someone leaves after the duty began*, you can leave without penalty.

I think you're right. While the deserter penalty doesn't apply to people who have joined the duty already in progress, it was said in a thread a while ago that any original member leaving the party after it filled again still got the penalty.

Abandoning a duty first after it has begun.

I think the 'first' is the key word here, and in that case, this is actually a softening of the blow, since I doubt "after a duty has begun" could mean anything other than the magical walls dropping and the 'duty commence' banner showing. This does mean, however, that people who manage to abandon before that happened would still be unpenalized. But eh.

Oh boy I can't wait to see what new monstrosity will spawn and wipe players as they approach the objective in order to unlock the new Ivalice raid.

Originally Posted by AxHell

Oh boy I can't wait to see what new monstrosity will spawn and wipe players as they approach the objective in order to unlock the new Ivalice raid.

I hope/fear another Red Chocobo Ex.

Originally Posted by KaivaC

I hope/fear another Red Chocobo Ex.

Red giant chickens running around, while rocks fall from the heavens and corpses lay on the ground is something that I never expected to experience in Final Fantasy, but I'm glad I did

The tl;dr for Pagos is: the train is back. Level to 25 in Anemos, find someone to ferry you to both Aetherites and then you are back in business again.

I wanted them to reduce whm recast time like they did to ast, but I'll take the enmity change.
Monk only received a 1-3% increase in damage and the drg treatment, so you get less penalized if you can't do your positionals right, I wish they could have found a better way to dump aggro instead of purification, monk loses 250 potency from doing it and sam only like 10, it's dumb.
I wasn't expecting drk fixes, but I wanted them.
Glamours are "real world modern fashion" trash as always.
Tanks and melee taking 30% less damage and dealing 15% more in frontline are the best changes to me.
Elbst still can't fly.
and yeah, the penalty change when leaving duty is so you don't get penalized if someone joins the moment you're leaving.

Honestly i find the penalties still too tame. Anyone who chooses to leave the instance without a vote abandon having happened and passed should get a penalty. Sure youll get less capable allies now and then, but the trick is to help also them trough and maybe teach them something on the way in good manners. Multiplayer instances are a teamsport after all.