Question About Sharing a Character

[HyoMinPark]

Sorry, but I really don't understand why everyone is shouting at the OP.

The player admitted to sharing their account with another person. Regardless of whether everyone thinks this is a big deal or not, it is against the terms of service.

OP reported this to SE, they'll take a look into it and take whatever action they deem necessary.

Attacking the OP for actually following the rules... that's harassment and also against the terms of service...

I think you're reading too far into it. A one-off situation like this is not what Square Enix is talking about in their TOS when they mention account sharing. The guy never said he and his girlfriend actively share the account or login information - just that he had to AFK real fast, and she temporarily took over his character while in the dungeon. It would be like -- if I had an important phone call or something personal required my attention, and I asked my fiancé to just watch my character for moment, passing him my controller. Obviously, he wouldn't know what to do outside of basic controls (since he only played FFXIV briefly a few years ago), but that's not the same as him and I sharing my account.

That's not a reportable or bannable offense in my opinion. And the OP is overreacting.

I won't reply to the rest of it, this has gone on too long, you can have the last word. But I feel I need to address:

I'm very sorry you felt offended, but I've never heard of "that" as the definition. All I know it as, and how I intended it:

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/lynching

Yes obviously an exaggeration of what's actually happened, but it seemed appropriate given the point I was trying to make. Not what you described...

No one is “punishing” the OP though — they’re telling them that they overreacted. Which they did.

[Gemina]

Here's how I see it:

If player in question knew his GF couldn't fill in to cover at least basic healing requirements then he should have just said, "brb, bathroom."

Even if against ToS, how do you prove someone else was controlling a character?

It's a DF PUG, and there is a thread dedicated for bad/good experiences which is highly active and responsive towards new posts. There is no need to make a brand new thread because you had a shitty experience in DF, and you'll get better sympathy there rather than here.

Not sure what is going on with the recent trend of bad healers, but from the threads I am reading and my own experience in DF, healers are also not getting any support from their PT members. Both DPS and tanks are not using any abilities to take pressure of the healer and it is seriously pissing me off. The more jobs I level, the more I am enlightened to which DPS and tank players are not using ogcds to help out their healers in PUGs.

I'll put blame on DPS/Tanks long before healers in wipe scenarios if no one is doing jack to help them out. Enmity shed/transfer, self heals, and damage mitigation are available, free, and help out your healers tremendously. Healers can put out considerable DPS if allowed, and they are only allowed if players don't make them use up their gcds keeping your ass alive.

[Iscah]

.And it's not just to cover you from 3rd party attacks, you're ignoring the part where SE says they might remove access to your account too:

Just because account sharing is under the blanket of "prohibited activities" doesn't mean that the account will be automatically banned for doing it. The opening statement is that Square Enix is entitled to terminate the account if they consider it appropriate, not that they definitely will.

Partly it covers them from demands for compensation if someone uses another player's shared information to steal or sabotage their account - as covered in the extended quote of section 3.1 that Valkyrie posted.

But it's also going to allow for a "Catch-22" ban if someone does something ban-worthy, then tries to say it wasn't them, it was their friend who used their account. Instead of having to judge the truth - potentially about something serious - SE can now say "well maybe you didn't do X, but you've admitted to sharing your account so we're banning you for that instead".

It's probably an extreme example, but it means they're legally covered if they have to use that option.

Simply letting someone play on your account might fall under the broad definition of the terms they've set up, but that doesn't mean they actually want or intend to apply the rules to that harmless situation of letting another person play your game. It would be massively heavy-handed and achieve nothing except the loss of customers.

But they probably can't actually admit to this without weakening their legal standing in situations where they do want to apply that rule.




Also I agree with Valkyrie that it is equally possible to read the phrase "your account and login information" as " your account information and your login information". I'm not sure what the difference would be, if that is the intended reading, but that is likely to be covered eleswhere in the document.

[Seraphor]

This is ridiculous. The ToS I'd to guard against sharing account info, login details etc. As is the practice for things like buying clears, and as already stated, to prohibit people from saying "I didnt break the rules my friend did."

This is in no way comparable to handing the controller over to someone else in the same room as you.
Gaming will be in a very sorry state if it ever gets to that.

[Paladinleeds]

Doubt it's something SE will ban over. Yeah, it sucks, but it is what it is. I don't have the luxury of having a partner or other person who can hit accept on the duty for me if I step away for anything (and I've lost more than one queue pop because of it... especially annoying after waiting like 90 minutes for it!), but again, I don't see the issue here. Is it [i]technically]/i] against ToS? Certainly. Are SE gonna do anything about it? Unlikely. I mean look at their stance on parsers (and visual mods, and potentially peripheral lighting mods too). So long as you aren't using them to harass or belittle other players, you're fine.

Sorry, but I really don't understand why everyone is shouting at the OP.

Let me show you why people are shouting at the OP, and IMO quite rightly.

is there any other action I can take (having the XP removed or whatever?).

This, is where it goes too far. And this is why I'm a bit annoyed. Yeah, reporting is fine IMO, if you suspect illicit activity. Heavens knows I'm very quick to report myself if I catch wind of if I've done anything potentially wrong. But he's trying to get their XP removed etc, which is where it goes too far.

[Transient_Shadow]

Reporting someone for passing the controller is probably the most petty and uncouth actions I can imagine. The GMs have enough on their plate with legitimate harassment and bot activity to deal with already.

Next time before reporting consider the following. Does the players actions negatively affecting the game as a whole (rmt, bottling, etc)? Is the players actions malicious in any way (were they intentionally messing with you)? Is anyone getting hurt irl?

If your concerns don’t check any of the above, block them and move on. Not only are you wasting the GMs time but putting other players at risk with frivolous suits.

TLDR: if they’re not shouting ‘buy gil here’ or throwing slurs at you. It’s not worth reporting.

[Vnolan]

Sorry, but I really don't understand why everyone is shouting at the OP.

You new to the forums? Attack people for points. One reason why the forums are a cesspit.

The GMs have enough on their plate with legitimate harassment and bot activity to deal with already.

If your concerns don’t check any of the above, block them and move on. Not only are you wasting the GMs time but putting other players at risk with frivolous suits.

There is no such thing as wasting a GM's time when it is literally their job to address player queries, GMs don't deal with bots, you can't get in trouble off reports alone and if something isn't against the ToS, the GMs would clarify.

[Losara]

Live and let live

[BaratanFaenthand]

Is it against the rules to suggest that the OP is insane?

[SturmChurro]

This, is where it goes too far. And this is why I'm a bit annoyed. Yeah, reporting is fine IMO, if you suspect illicit activity. Heavens knows I'm very quick to report myself if I catch wind of if I've done anything potentially wrong. But he's trying to get their XP removed etc, which is where it goes too far.

From the context of his post I was assuming he wanted his exp removed, because he played with a "cheater".