Question About Sharing a Character

[HarryTipper]

I was in a PUG earlier this evening and we wiped, looks like the healer stopped healing. The guy then came on Party Chat, apologized and said his girlfriend took over while he did something.

I don't care about wiping, my concern is... are people allowed to share a character? I.e. two individuals playing one toon? If not, this guy was cheating. Anyway, I left the duty and reported him. Not sure what else I can do. I feel awful about it, guilty that I was in the part but I had no idea.

Can someone confirm of this is or is not allowed and is there any other action I can take (having the XP removed or whatever?).

Thanks.

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Seriously, i have no words for this...

[worldofneil]

Sorry, but I really don't understand why everyone is shouting at the OP.

The player admitted to sharing their account with another person. Regardless of whether everyone thinks this is a big deal or not, it is against the terms of service.

OP reported this to SE, they'll take a look into it and take whatever action they deem necessary.

Attacking the OP for actually following the rules... that's harassment and also against the terms of service...

[ChaseNetwork]

Rules like "no account sharing" are more for SE's protection than for anything else.
It's already set up so the same account can't be actively in use more than once at a time, so it's not like people can have multiple accounts for free.
So really, it's just so that you can't go crying to SE if someone you have shared the account with did things with your stuff.

As far as this particular instance of it... You reported it? Well, sure. Expect nothing of it. Personally, I wish I could have someone to do some couch coop with like that.

[Sakuraluna]

Well... it is definitely against the rules, but generally that's dealing with regular sharing of one account between two people, or passing an account on to someone else. I wouldn't assume that just letting his gf hop on to finish running his character through one dungeon while he took care of something else quick would be an issue, and it's certainly not taking up any more time for the other players running the dungeon. Probably something i'd have let slide.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Sorry, but I really don't understand why everyone is shouting at the OP.

The player admitted to sharing their account with another person. Regardless of whether everyone thinks this is a big deal or not, it is against the terms of service.

OP reported this to SE, they'll take a look into it and take whatever action they deem necessary.

Attacking the OP for actually following the rules... that's harassment and also against the terms of service...

3.1 Sharing Account Information. You may not share your account or login information (such as your Square Enix ID and password) with anyone except your legal guardian, your minor child, or Square Enix. You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your account and login information, even from your friends and family. If you violate this provision, you may unexpectedly lose access to your account to a third party without recourse against Square Enix. Square Enix will not be obliged to credit your Square Enix Account with Crysta or other points or awards, which may have been used by a third party as a result of the violation of this clause.

It says account and login information, not that they cannot play on your account. This is all to protect you from having your account stolen via a 3rd party. Thats all this is. Its not "You will be banned by sharing your account" Its "if you lose anything in your account, we are not responsible because you gave the info out"

[worldofneil]

It says account and login information, not that they cannot play on your account.

What....? It says exactly that.... You literally quoted it...

You may not share your account

I don't know how you can read that any other way. How is someone playing on your account anything other than sharing an account?

Account and login information are two completely different things, hence they list both. Account being your characters etc, login information being the method of accessing those characters.

And it's not just to cover you from 3rd party attacks, you're ignoring the part where SE says they might remove access to your account too:

In addition, Square Enix shall be entitled to terminate any FFXIV Service Account (immediately and without notice) of any User who (1) was previously suspended or terminated by Square Enix and who Square Enix believes (in its sole discretion) re-registered using different registration information in order to circumvent or bypass such suspension or termination, or (2) Square Enix believes (in its sole discretion, based upon any information available, including registration and account information) that such User is enabling or assisting another User to conduct any Prohibited Activities of any kind.

Square Enix may update the list of Prohibited Activities at http://sqex.to/ffxiv.na.support at any time. The current Prohibited Activities are as follows:

3.1 Sharing Account Information. You may not share your account or login information (such as your Square Enix ID and password) with anyone except your legal guardian, your minor child, or Square Enix.

But again, it's nothing to do with whether *we* think it's a problem or not. OP saw some someone breaking the ToS, they reported them. It's up to SE to look into it and take whatever action they deem necessary. Our opinions are completely irrelevant.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

What....? It says exactly that.... You literally quoted it...



I don't know how you can read that any other way. How is someone playing on your account anything other than sharing an account?

And it's not just to cover yourself from 3rd party attacks, you're also conveniently ignoring the part where SE says they might remove access to your account too:



But again, it's nothing to do with whether *we* think it's a problem or not. OP saw some someone breaking the ToS, the reported them. It's up to SE to look into it and take whatever action they deem necessary. Our opinions are completely irrelevant.

You are reading too much into that. Account or login information means account information or login information, that's why they are together. But hey, maybe we can get a GM to speak to this tomorrow, since today is a holiday.

[ChaseNetwork]

You are reading too much into that. Account or login information means account information or login information, that's why they are together. But hey, maybe we can get a GM to speak to this tomorrow, since today is a holiday.

iirc, they aren't properly back in office until the 7th.
This line:
If you violate this provision, you may unexpectedly lose access to your account to a third party without recourse against Square Enix. Square Enix will not be obliged to credit your Square Enix Account with Crysta or other points or awards, which may have been used by a third party as a result of the violation of this clause.
Is basically the minimum punishment. Which is: "It's not our fault you shared your account. We will not reimburse you." So, really. They aren't going to consider worth keeping you from giving them money if you lost some stuff from sharing your account.

[worldofneil]

Account or login information means account information or login information

Sorry, but I think you're just reading that the way you want to read it. What is "account information"? I would say the only thing it could be is credentials to access the account, but they already specifically said "login information" as a separate item so when they say account, they can only mean the actual account, not login information.

But look I don't really care either way. That's my interpretation, clearly you have yours, but it's nothing to do with us. It's how SE interprets it. My point is that OP thought they saw someone breaking the rules so they reported them and they've received nothing but a hard time about it.

Whether or not the person mentioned broke the rules is clearly something that can be debated, but that's up to SE to decide, not us.

OP is probably too scared now to report anyone ever again for fear of getting lynched once more.

[Linadae]

I was in a PUG earlier this evening and we wiped, looks like the healer stopped healing. The guy then came on Party Chat, apologized and said his girlfriend took over while he did something.

I don't care about wiping, my concern is... are people allowed to share a character? I.e. two individuals playing one toon? If not, this guy was cheating. Anyway, I left the duty and reported him. Not sure what else I can do. I feel awful about it, guilty that I was in the part but I had no idea.

Can someone confirm of this is or is not allowed and is there any other action I can take (having the XP removed or whatever?).

Thanks.

If they live together I believe it's okay in terms of service. Because I live with my 70 year old mother and when she has to make an emergency afk (as elderly tend to do) she'll have me take over in a dungeon for her.