So people are defending the msq dc exploit

[Metalwrath]

When the solution to something - that was literally designed to help out beginning or low level players/classes with queue by convincing everyone to do it - is to not do it, how is this not a bad design? How is that the solution?
Mind boggling.

Honestly there arent as many new players need to clear this on a daily base as perceived so the changes were infact ok.Fc's and players with free time or bored are always still there to help these clears if a pf is put up.
Its not like there is this mass amount of players needing to do it every day.There are more people doing it for tomes than story and this only ever changes when new expansions come out or if the game goes on sale.

[Seraphor]

When the solution to something - that was literally designed to help out beginning or low level players/classes with queue by convincing everyone to do it - is to not do it, how is this not a bad design? How is that the solution?
Mind boggling.

Because there are people who are willing to watch the cutscenes, to help out newbies, and be rewarded with EXP befitting that.
Everything has a trade off, nothing is perfect, and if YOU aren't willing to made that trade, then it's not for you.

That doesn't mean it couldn't be better, but within the current limitations, it's the best compromise available.

[BillyKaplan]

it's the best compromise available.

Not when hefty portions of the target demographic hate this change, too. I have seen the story already but I still have alts - I am the target demographic and I hate this change. And there are a lot of legitimately new players who hate this change as well - they are the target demographic even more-so than I am. A lot of supporters I keep seeing in these threads seem to be people who like to ride the high morality horse while enjoying the exp and tomes without actually caring about how much the actual first timers enjoy it - and there are many who don't.

And while you did say 'best', which is relative, I will disagree. Having a choice as to if and how to consume the content is always better than being forced to do so. In many ways this is worse than what we had before. =

[Aellae]

Honestly there arent as many new players need to clear this on a daily base as perceived so the changes were infact ok.Fc's and players with free time or bored are always still there to help these clears if a pf is put up.
Its not like there is this mass amount of players needing to do it every day.There are more people doing it for tomes than story and this only ever changes when new expansions come out or if the game goes on sale.

Then why exactly are we here complaining about people skipping cutscenes with a workaround if barely anyone does it for story anyway (as you mentioned)? Wasn't that the whole point of the thread? Or are we just here to complain that someone found a way to not suffer as much as I do while getting the same rewards?

Because there are people who are willing to watch the cutscenes, to help out newbies, and be rewarded with EXP befitting that.
Everything has a trade off, nothing is perfect, and if YOU aren't willing to made that trade, then it's not for you.

That doesn't mean it couldn't be better, but within the current limitations, it's the best compromise available.

Fair enough, but I still think it was better before the changes. Just my opinion. Then again, the whole dungeon, as it was designed, is not very multiplayer friendly and especially not rerun-friendly. Good thing they strayed away from that.

[Metalwrath]

Not when hefty portions of the target demographic hate this change, too. I have seen the story already but I still have alts - I am the target demographic and I hate this change. And there are a lot of legitimately new players who hate this change as well - they are the target demographic even more-so than I am. A lot of supporters I keep seeing in these threads seem to be people who like to ride the high morality horse while enjoying the exp and tomes without actually caring about how much the actual first timers enjoy it - and there are many who don't.

And while you did say 'best', which is relative, I will disagree. Having a choice as to if and how to consume the content is always better than being forced to do so. In many ways this is worse than what we had before. =

Intersting you make these claims.I think i've only seen about 2 new players on forums ever complain about the cutscenes ebing unskippable in contrast to about a hundred threads from new players complaining about being forced and bullied into skipping custscenes.
And from experience through doing the runs with new players the main responses you seem to get are new players commenting about how amazing the cutscenes are and how epic it is.Praetorium more so than castrum mind you.
And alts are the demographic?Are you for real lol? Get over yourself.

[Seraphor]

And while you did say 'best', which is relative, I will disagree. Having a choice as to if and how to consume the content is always better than being forced to do so. In many ways this is worse than what we had before. =

But that choice isn't available. As has been previously pointed out, the cutscene itself, even when viewed in an Inn, is unskippable. It's all or nothing, due to technical limitations. Either newbies get to experience the story as it should be, or they don't.
So yes, it is the best option currently available.

The introduction of Trusts could provide other options, making it a viable solo dungeon, and then those who want to experience the story will be able to do so reliably that way, and they can revert MSQ roulette to what it was for those who only want the multiplayer experience without the story.

[kikix12]

But that choice isn't available. As has been previously pointed out, the cutscene itself, even when viewed in an Inn, is unskippable. It's all or nothing, due to technical limitations. Either newbies get to experience the story as it should be, or they don't.
So yes, it is the best option currently available.

The option was available BEFORE implementing this. You could have used party finder for "No skipping cutscenes" and go with that. You could get your friends/Free Company members join with you and not skip the cutscenes/not fighting while you watch them. You had options of not skipping cutscenes...or skipping cutscenes. There are no such options now.

The lone fact that this was not used is proof of how few people actually give a darn about watching the cutscenes and fighting the mobs as they go. In case you didn't notice, vast majority of the players (you included) that stand "in defense" of the rookie players...are far from being rookies. It's the unrelated people that want to be the white knights of the new players. There are few here or there, don't get me wrong. There are new players that enjoy this possibility...first time around. But mostly it's not. Mostly the defendants of this change have little to do with the audience it is for.

It's good if they are actually someone that runs those dungeons with those rookies, but there are most likely as many or more people that do not. That are just talking for the sake of showing themselves on a supposedly moral high horse.

[Seraphor]

The option was available BEFORE implementing this. You could have used party finder for "No skipping cutscenes" and go with that. You could get your friends/Free Company members join with you and not skip the cutscenes/not fighting while you watch them. You had options of not skipping cutscenes...or skipping cutscenes. There are no such options now.

The lone fact that this was not used is proof of how few people actually give a darn about watching the cutscenes and fighting the mobs as they go. In case you didn't notice, vast majority of the players (you included) that stand "in defense" of the rookie players...are far from being rookies. It's the unrelated people that want to be the white knights of the new players. There are few here or there, don't get me wrong. There are new players that enjoy this possibility...first time around. But mostly it's not. Mostly the defendants of this change have little to do with the audience it is for.

It's good if they are actually someone that runs those dungeons with those rookies, but there are most likely as many or more people that do not. That are just talking for the sake of showing themselves on a supposedly moral high horse.

As stated above, the way it was before led to far, far, far more people complaining about how they were unable to experience it due to everyone skipping and rushing ahead, than we have people today complaining about this.
The "defenders" of this might not be the "target audience", but thats because the target audience have no reason to come here to comment on it, because its working, while the "defenders" are here speaking from their experience, usually the experience of having their first play through ruined because of it. (or first few play through's, it took me three runs to see all the cutscenes because the next would be initiated before the current cutscene had finished, skipping it entirely, which resulted in them being 'unlocked' out of order)
Turn back the clock and watch those complaints come flooding back. It's not like they changed it for no reason.

PF is not an option, not only do most newbies at that stage not know about PF or how it works as its an endgame tool, but even if they did, they'd never find enough people to do Castrum or Praetorium.

[uvuvwevwevweonyetenyevweugwemu]

The game isn't running out of new and returning players. MSQ roulette is rather important for catching-up (mendacity atm). Do people commented here have run them lately or during free logins? From what I've seen, people either are new or forget about the speed-run mechanics. It doesn't bother me as they -should- remember why they play this game in the first place. MSQ roulette isn't for speed-runs, it never was. The forced cutscenes are made to reinforce that, not to cause slow-runs. That's the fact. Last run I waited and pointed for 2 leafs as they got lost running all over Praetorium. You don't need cutscenes to play it, but seems some players need this restriction just to be kind to strangers.

[Zohnax]

The lone fact that this was not used is proof of how few people actually give a darn about watching the cutscenes and fighting the mobs as they go. In case you didn't notice, vast majority of the players (you included) that stand "in defense" of the rookie players...are far from being rookies. It's the unrelated people that want to be the white knights of the new players. There are few here or there, don't get me wrong. There are new players that enjoy this possibility...first time around. But mostly it's not. Mostly the defendants of this change have little to do with the audience it is for.

It's good if they are actually someone that runs those dungeons with those rookies, but there are most likely as many or more people that do not. That are just talking for the sake of showing themselves on a supposedly moral high horse.

That's a lot of ignorant assumptions out of you.

Maybe some people understand what it takes to make for a decent gaming experience; let alone an immersive story, especially in an role-playing games where that's literally the objective of the genre.

Again, if the devs changed it to be this way, there's probably a reason.