Luminary tools- a real achievement

[SynysterBlitz]

Well on the plus side, I get to redocument which fish like which baits now as they have changed a bit. (truly no sarcasm here)

And while it's not something I'd do or condone, you can auto fish in the regular waters, as it doesn't require you to specifically fish from schools you'd search for with Gulleye. But there's also spearfishing achievements, so I'm going to go around and fish these areas up and hopefully make some money in the progress. (already collected about 50 purple dyes last night and some of the GC provision fish to turn in for seals)

I can get why people that are capped are upset, but this just wasn't one of the stats SE tracked. It's no secret they tend to lean more towards the favor of DoW/DoM classes. if you really want the reward you'll put the time towards it. I know I will. It's my goal to be server first for the fishing rod.

I like the longterm goals but sucks when I have already done them.. and I know alot of people with 50 DoH/DoL may seem bitter but wouldn't you be as well if you did invest lots of time.. especially BEFORE they abolished the faitigue system.. I know I will be working for the GSM Tool, because that is my main craft and I do like long term goals.. but thats alot of synths to do at 50..

I'd be ok with just redoing the 41-50 recipes.. but 1-40 is just gonna be some huge time sink, that will just enable the type of gameplay thats unintuitive where you spam Hasty Hand and mindlessy press one button well this way it would be enter,enter,enter,up,enter.. I plan on achieving the 41-50 acheivement overtime by creating gear for melding and bonding..

but at least give me the option to reset any craft or gatherer to 0.. cause in all honestly I would.. it would be a ton easier.. even better for the local levequest count as well, since I could start them all over with just leves.. and no I am not going to make a new char for the sake of crafting/gathering since, I have invested alot of time in my char, nearly all quests completed , one more DoW to 50 to have all 50's .. I enjoy this game but.. in all honestly the gathering/crafting Achievements should be a total accumalitive amount not based on node levels and craft recipe levels..

Id rather have a system where you gather 6000 nodes anywhere.. If I want that certain item from that area I will go there.. don't force me..

[DeadRiser]

No one said you HAVE to get the achievements.

If you are a gatherer, your going to gather in those areas eventually, just a liitle more than you used to.
Crafting, same rules apply.

I mean sounds like a bunch of " I want -said- achievement now*...

[TheVedis]

No one said you HAVE to get the achievements.

If you are a gatherer, your going to gather in those areas eventually, just a liitle more than you used to.
Crafting, same rules apply.

I mean sounds like a bunch of " I want -said- achievement now*...

this is exactly how i think

like right now im out gathering the low grades....
everything i get, ill use to go back for crafting, etc etc

its not like i leveled those jobs so they can sit and never be used after all

[Xenor]

The achievements are nice in theory but they have implemented it so badly. The only people getting these will be people who bot and people who have their crafts at rank 1. It was bad enough levelling crafts legitimately while half the server was botting them to begin with, I'm not going to effectively level them all again while half the server bots these achievements. Unfortunately this is one advantage the botter has over me that I can't compete with. They will have the tools and no legit player is going to go through this torturous gameplay to get them.

There's basic calculations that they could have done to give some counter for players who have already got their classes at 50. For example if you have gotten your BSM to 50 let's say you've done total EXP total 1-10 / 500 = 1-10 synths, EXP total 11-20/500 - 11-20 synths etc. There's no need to just hand the achievements to people but some basic maths could have given credit for what we have already done, at a minimum. If it only gets me half way to the achievement that's fair.

I will just screw the achievements and wait for the rank cap to go up, which it probably will in 1.21. Hopefully the rank 60 tools won't require these achievements in addition to the 50-60 achievement. I fear they will. These achievements are encouraging botting.

Why couldn't they have made the achievements something more fun/skillful like produce 100 +3 synths or produce a full set of +3 gear? Oh wait, they dumbed down the HQ system. The only skill in crafting now is finding a bot that won't be obvious to passers by.

[Kiote]

We already played these classes "as they are designed to be played." I don't know what's so difficult to understand. Imagine if they locked you out from getting the achievement for Lancer 50, but said you had to kill 1,000 enemies at rank 1 to 10, 10,000 at rank 11 to 20, etc. to "earn" it.

But no, you don't want to think about that. SE catered to your class, so it doesn't really matter, does it? There's no way they weren't really tracking the data for gathering and synthesis either.

First of all, I'm a rank 47 Botanist a rank 42 MIner and a Rank 40 Fisherman.

DoW have to do something like Kill 100,000 enemies for one of their achievements. Your example does not make any sense. DoW can not level back down. DoL/H are specifically designed to make use of their lower level gameplay AND it becomes significantly easier to do so at higher levels.

My Botanist and put out 7 succeses a minute, minimum, at Grade 5s. Any grade lower than that is double to quadrupal that amount. On top of how easy it it, it also directly results in you acquires Materials. Not only the point of the class, but a amazing source of gil. Anyone who commits to these achievements will make millions in the process.

Crafters have the ability to Instantly Create lower level items. If its ten levels below you, you can output a thousand items an hour. On top of that, every craft has in every level range a synth that requires 1 or 2 items to make AND the result of the synth is worth more than the mats. Once again, those who commit to these achievements will make millions.

There is no down side to this. You are not on a timer, you do not have to complete it this week. You can take your time and you will get rich while you do it.

[Irondude]

1-50 in a day but you wont be getting that god gear any time soon MAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Kiote]

good job editing out and not replying to my question above. here, i'll repost it

In game right now, there are people wearing a crown for achieving something after already killing 100,000 mobs.

now, did.......they....earn..... it?

if you answer yes, i will not read another one of your worthless posts in this thread any longer

That is ignorant. The fact of the matter is there was no tracking system in place for Crafting and Gathering Success. There was one for Killing. There is absolutely no way for them to determine how many you have done in the past.

If your argument is "They should not have gotten their kills retroactively" then your a hypocrite because you think you should have gotten your successes retroactively.

[Kiote]

There are some people who just don't care, and that is fine. For those of us who are upset, our argument is this: Since SE was keeping a log on the number of monsters you killed, they might as well have been keeping track of number of synths/gathers too. It already takes considerably longer to level a DoL/DoH over a DoW/DoM, and those of us who have done it already, essentially have to do it again to earn an achievement. Those who leveled DoM/Dow and killed 100,000 enemies logged into the game and got their achievement, and congratulations to them. Even the folks who leveled all Crafts/DoL to 50 pre-patch, they logged in and got... a Title? Yippee. To get our actual useful items as DoH/DoL, we have to level our jobs over again.

How can you fault SE for not implementing something they had no idea they were going to need? This achievement system was a player request, it was not a planned implementation of the game.

[Kiote]

we ALREADY grinded it out, it's NOT free

You already Gathered in ever region at every grade thousands of times?

BS

For the record, the number of times that you have to gather to unlock all these achievements is about 20 times the amount you need to hit level 50.

[Xenor]

That is ignorant. The fact of the matter is there was no tracking system in place for Crafting and Gathering Success. There was one for Killing. There is absolutely no way for them to determine how many you have done in the past.

If your argument is "They should not have gotten their kills retroactively" then your a hypocrite because you think you should have gotten your successes retroactively.

It doesn't matter whether a counter existed or not. Like I said already some basic maths would produce a minimum of what you should have. Of course you're probably the type to argue that it's impossible to say whether you've completed at least one synth to get to 50, nevermind better estimates.