[Discussion] A lore forum Discord chat channel!

[Kusanagi7]

not surprised my post was deleted cuz i used the word idiot but apparently you can be condescending and dismissively aggressive to others without so much as have anything happen to you good job moderators anyhow do what you want im not wasting time here anymore and your right he isn't disqualified from creating a chatroom.

[Iscah]

You can't please everybody - and again, most of the concerns regarding bias are unfounded. I've linked profiles on other sites where I've posted about a variety of sites without any issues. I'm more than capable of being objective. If you don't believe that to be the case, fair enough - but let's not pretend much of the critique isn't coming from a 'I DON'T LIKE YOU' perspective.

To be precise, I don't like the way you speak to people on this forum, which is how you choose to present yourself here. And no, I don't care how you act elsewhere, because I don't see it as something compartmentalised.

And I still fail to see why I should be expected to judge you on how you behave on other forums rather than your long post history on this one.

No need to reply to this.


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EDIT December 2nd - really a separate post but I don't want to wake up the topic again after it died down - if this was presented from the start as "I made a Discord, come if you want", I probably wouldn't have objected like this. It's that it was presented as being intended as a democratically-organised Discord "for the entire community" and yet - as I tried very hard to say neutrally in my first post, at least, and increasingly failiingly after that - because Theodric was writing as if he expected to automatically be a moderator, I wanted to raise the issue that based on past discussions in this forum and regardless of who is objectively 'right' or 'wrong', it would be likely to put a number of regular posters off from participating.

If the initial intent of this topic was to consult the forum community about how to best set up the Discord "for everyone", then I thought perhaps Theodric might even want to hear it, if he hadn't thought of it being a negative factor, and if he was trying to make it welcoming to as many people as possible.

As it is, while I don't want to be boasting about getting 'likes', and can't be sure how representative it really is... with 5 on the original announcement versus 12 on my objection, regardless of who is "in the right", that's not a promising sign if this was supposed to appeal to the majority of the forum.

Because it was supposed to be about getting people's opinions, I felt like it was important to voice a concern that I thought a number of people might have with the proposal, but might not want to be the one to say it. (Neither did I for that matter, but I felt someone had to.) Perhaps I could have said it in a better way, but if this was truly intended to sort out potential issues, then I think it was something that had to be raised.

[Cilia]

I'm not here to mudsling, and vacate the premises as soon as the mudslinging begins except to defend myself. I'm not interested in ad hominem attacks and wholly condemn them; however it is not my job to defend anyone's character but my own.

My issues are primarily with the arguments presented (as they are often fallacious and pointed out as such to no avail), not personal character.

I'm here to discuss and debate the story and setting of this game (with some off-topic nonsense about mobage, movies, uhh... philosophy, from time to time), not engage in ad hominem attacks. I can coexist peacefully with people who share different views - again, my issue is not with personal character but strength of argument.

I'm glad to hear it's going well for you.

[Lauront]

To be precise, I don't like the way you speak to people on this forum, which is how you choose to present yourself here.

Sounds like an issue of style over substance, to me. IMO, this has become very petty.

And no, I don't care how you act elsewhere, because I don't see it as something compartmentalised.

And I still fail to see why I should be expected to judge you on how you behave on other forums rather than your long post history on this one.

No need to reply to this.


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EDIT December 2nd - really a separate post but I don't want to wake up the topic again after it died down - if this was presented from the start as "I made a Discord, come if you want", I probably wouldn't have objected like this. It's that it was presented as being intended as a democratically-organised Discord "for the entire community" and yet - as I tried very hard to say neutrally in my first post, at least, and increasingly failiingly after that - because Theodric was writing as if he expected to automatically be a moderator, I wanted to raise the issue that based on past discussions in this forum and regardless of who is objectively 'right' or 'wrong', it would be likely to put a number of regular posters off from participating.

If the initial intent of this topic was to consult the forum community about how to best set up the Discord "for everyone", then I thought perhaps Theodric might even want to hear it, if he hadn't thought of it being a negative factor, and if he was trying to make it welcoming to as many people as possible.

As it is, while I don't want to be boasting about getting 'likes', and can't be sure how representative it really is... with 5 on the original announcement versus 12 on my objection, regardless of who is "in the right", that's not a promising sign if this was supposed to appeal to the majority of the forum.

Because it was supposed to be about getting people's opinions, I felt like it was important to voice a concern that I thought a number of people might have with the proposal, but might not want to be the one to say it. (Neither did I for that matter, but I felt someone had to.) Perhaps I could have said it in a better way, but if this was truly intended to sort out potential issues, then I think it was something that had to be raised.

The upvotes are probably not representative at all and are a particularly easy metric to game, if one has the wherewithal to do so, anyway.

In any event, you've voiced your concerns, the Discord is up and running and we can all move on now.

[Theodric]

I'm not particularly interested in tone policing, personally. So long as people are posting within the confines of the terms of service there's little need for backseat moderation. By all means, if people think I've stepped out of line then they're more than welcome to report any offending posts. I'd expect nothing less.

As for the obsession with 'upvotes', I don't particularly care for them. I value people saying what they feel, rather than saying what they feel will get them the most upvotes. On a board such as this, it doesn't take long to work out that certain posters will be highly upvoted based solely on who they are. I've seen multiple cases of posters putting forward intriguing, thoughtful theories only to receive little to no upvotes...

...only for a more popular poster to quote them, reword things slightly and have that post be highly rated. It's also not terribly difficult for people to link a particular post elsewhere to have it 'brigaded' if they want to be petty. Reddit is more susceptible to that, though given how much easier it is to make new accounts there compared to here.

I'd strongly recommend watching the Black Mirror episode 'Nosedive', on that note. It's an excellent take on how flawed the obsession with being seen in a certain light can be.

As ever, I'm just going to embrace my stance of 'agree to disagree'. If people don't want to reach out and smooth out any issues, then that's fine - but then they don't really have much ground to stand on when it comes to tone policing. Especially when accounting for the fact that not everybody posting here is from the same cultural background/country.

All that aside, at this point this is little more than a circular discussion. The people who are interested in the Discord have either joined already or will in the future. Those who aren't interested in it likely won't join it - and that's fine, but for the sake of this board not becoming a bitter cesspit I'd request some common courtesy and a 'live and let live' approach.

[Iscah]

As for the obsession with 'upvotes', I don't particularly care for them. I value people saying what they feel, rather than saying what they feel will get them the most upvotes.

For personal thoughts and theories, I agree.

But for gauging the feelings of a majority of people on the forum, then surely that's exactly where upvotes are useful?

I wasn't saying it "because it would get me upvotes", but because others might be thinking the same thing and could then upvote rather than writing another post saying the same thing.

[Alleluia]

For personal thoughts and theories, I agree.

But for gauging the feelings of a majority of people on the forum, then surely that's exactly where upvotes are useful?

I wasn't saying it "because it would get me upvotes", but because others might be thinking the same thing and could then upvote rather than writing another post saying the same thing.

This thread has over two thousand views and 60+ replies. 5 vs 12 upvotes doesn't actually show anything other than most forumites didn't leave likes. (For instance, I forgot to give a like to the OP, even though I liked the idea. I have since corrected the oversight, so now its 6.) Not that your views of Theodric being more or less popular than his idea to start a discord actually matters b/c the discord still exists either way.

But yeah, server is up and its fun so far. Look forward to seeing those who want to be there, there.

[Anonymoose]

This thread has over two thousand views and 60+ replies.

For what it's worth, every page checked by every user every time they check in, reply, or view a new post seems to cause that thing to tick upwards. I suspect that I alone am responsible for over 100 views on every one of my posts, lol. Forum regulars + lurkers might not take long to hit 2k at all.

[ChaoticCrimson]

Oh dear... Things seem to have gotten a bit dicey in here. I'll just say I'm a bit hesitant to involve myself with a lore Discord server at this time. I'm fine with just popping in and out of the forums here from time to time.

[Kusanagi7]

I'm not here to mudsling, and vacate the premises as soon as the mudslinging begins except to defend myself. I'm not interested in ad hominem attacks and wholly condemn them; however it is not my job to defend anyone's character but my own.

My issues are primarily with the arguments presented (as they are often fallacious and pointed out as such to no avail), not personal character.

I'm here to discuss and debate the story and setting of this game (with some off-topic nonsense about mobage, movies, uhh... philosophy, from time to time), not engage in ad hominem attacks. I can coexist peacefully with people who share different views - again, my issue is not with personal character but strength of argument.

I'm glad to hear it's going well for you.

just want to set record straight that didnt vacate the forum i was banned for 240 hours which has been lifted now.