getting kicked from end game pfs as soon as I join?

[HyoMinPark]

Logs are not much useful today, because poisoned by all the BiS groups running multiple log runs at o9s and making a normal, legit performance of someone at i370 appear like garbage.
Log runs and clears are two different things.

While a lot of the 99th percentile is padded runs, that doesn't mean people still can't get good parses from a "legitimate" run. I regularly get high purples (85+), and a couple weeks ago I got a 95 in Chaos and I'm not even BiS yet - I'm missing my weapon and body piece. And the AST in my group doesn't feed me single-target Balances.

If you're running i370 in Alphascape when the cap is now i400, of course your logs are going to look poor at this point in the tier. You should be in better gear for the later fights anyways.

Nice hyperbole though.

Process:

You create an account to construct your Avatar.
You then create your name.
Your name, your avatar is under your account.

If you wish to look up my name, Opal Valentine, it's easy as using the search Bar.

Which makes it public information—your in-game name is not protected by any sort of privacy law in any country. It’s public knowledge on this forum and on the Lodestone. And you cannot hide it.

You can still be "Dox" by anyone through this third party tool.

Do tell how you can retrieve a person’s personal information using a tool that reads public data from the game’s Battle Log.

I've read everyone's responses and not one has stayed on course of the OP's inquiry. Only one player here spoke on the repercussions of using this Log and everyone speaks on segregation.

Plenty of people gave OP reasons why they may have been kicked; it’s extremely hard to even know considering there was very little information given other than they were joining Alphascape Savage parties as a SAM. It seems it only happened twice, because they only listed two incidents in a later response, so it’s hardly something to get up in arms over.

Discussing a tangent that was brought up in the OP’s post and on page 1 isn’t against the rules. Conversations evolve.

If I hide my log, it's my information I wish to hide. If anyone were to kick me for it or ask and I refuse to let them know of it, that's harassment and I have that right to report you. If you were to place on your PF "I parse at this percentile. I have my proof; please show yours", then you're at LEAST being honest. Granted, I will avoid you like a plague, but I won't go after you for it.

Party leaders are allowed to kick whomever they wish from their PFs for whatever reason they wish. That’s not harassment. Harassment would be if they sent you /tells after kicking you pestering you about your logs. But simply asking and kicking when you don’t give them is not harassment: you didn’t meet their PF requirements, and they’re allowed to removed you. They aren’t required to take you, regardless of your personal preferences.

On the other hand, even having high damage output doesn't guarantee a clear especially if you're in a matched group. [b]There are console players that don't even use this, and other numeral contributing factors on the accuracy of the logs.

Speaking specifically on the bolded part here: the “accuracy of the logs” comes from the game’s Battle Log itself. Are you insinuating that the game’s Battle Log lies about its data? Just because PS4 players cannot use a parser doesn’t mean that the data is suddenly inaccurate. Please elaborate.

So no, Dzian Cielo IS an online identifier. If you, like every other player in this game, have a Facebook page based on your character, an Instagram, a Twitter, it can definitely lead to your personal information that anyone and everyone can find.

And, how so? Tell me, how does my in-game name lead to any of my personal data? If “Hyomin Park” was so sensitive, wouldn’t it make sense for it to be hidden on the Forum and the Lodestone as well? But it’s not. “Hyomin Park” gives you none of the personal information that would be protected under any sort of privacy laws, such as real name, address, billing information, applicable identification numbers (e.g., Driver’s License number, Social Security Number, etc.), demographical information, etc..

The only way people can get to your personal data is by hacking your account, in which case they don’t need your character name for, but your username and password.


I’ve read a few sites about this GDPR, and everything I read lists “online identifiers” as things like nationality, demographical information, information about a person’s physical or mental health, etc.. Nowhere have I seen it list online usernames as falling under what an “online identifier” is. Your character name tells me very little about who your real person is, just like mine does to you.

And it is definitely against violation of GDPR. It not only has anything to do with real-life identity, but of the intent of the use of a ToS-breaking third party tool.

From everything I have read, the GDPR seems to be EU only. The world is not the EU. It’s very likely it doesn’t have any jurisdiction outside of the EU, meaning that you cannot use it as a law to block this data in any other country. Like Japan, where this game is based, or the US or Oceania or Canada.

Link: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...5bd14ffec4345f

Quote: "we would like to remind players that using third-party programs, parsers, or other tools to conduct actions players would not normally be able to do in the game is a violation of the Terms of Service, and will be dealt with strict disciplinary action."

The developers are very aware people parse. They have watched Twitch streams with parsers active and nothing has happened to those players. So long as people don’t use them to abuse others, they don’t do anything—it’s very “don’t ask, don’t tell”.

Inb4 I’m met with “uploading my performance without my permission is abuse”, no, it’s not.

[Dzian]

I’ve read a few sites about this GDPR, and everything I read lists “online identifiers” as things like nationality, demographical information, information about a person’s physical or mental health, etc.. Nowhere have I seen it list online usernames as falling under what an “online identifier” is. Your character name tells me very little about who your real person is, just like mine does to you..

ICO

Example

An individual’s social media ‘handle’ or username, which may seem anonymous or nonsensical, is still sufficient to identify them as it uniquely identifies that individual. The username is personal data if it distinguishes one individual from another regardless of whether it is possible to link the ‘online’ identity with a ‘real world’ named individual.

What this means is Dzian Cielo is enough to distiguish myself as an individual from Hyomin Park. also note the last bit "the username is personal data if it distinguishes one individual from another. regardless of whetehr its possible to ink the online ID with a real world named individual.

Edit. I know GDPR is european but with the massive us senate privacy thing not so long ago i think theres a us equivelant around the corner.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

ICO

You just defeated your own argument.

Other examples of online identifiers that may be personal data include:

MAC addresses;
advertising IDs;
pixel tags;
account handles; and
device fingerprints.

The use of these may leave traces which, when combined with unique identifiers and other information received by servers, may be used to create profiles of individuals and identify them.

Regardless, this remains public information. If our usernames were considered private or sensitive information, it wouldn't be displayed where anyone can find it with a simple google search. Furthermore, you have no ownership over the battle log information nor your character's names—both of which being what FFlogs users. Simply put, you do not own anything related to your character. But let's play devil's advocate and say you did. SE clearly couldn't care less because not only do the devs know about FFlogs and ACT, they actively watch World First prog where its prominently displayed. Despite this, they haven't done a thing to prevent either use.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

You just defeated your own argument.



Regardless, this remains public information. If our usernames were considered private or sensitive information, it wouldn't be displayed where anyone can find it with a simple google search. Furthermore, you have no ownership over the battle log information nor your character's names—both of which being what FFlogs users. Simply put, you do not own anything related to your character. But let's play devil's advocate and say you did. SE clearly couldn't care less because not only do the devs know about FFlogs and ACT, they actively watch World First prog where its prominently displayed. Despite this, they haven't done a thing to prevent either use.

Not just that. By using this argument, SE would actually have to basically censor everyone's username in every instance, not just battle logs (and by extension parses). That means you wouldn't be able to refer to a specific person in party chat, FC chat, shout chat, etc.

Imagine: my FC having to refer to me by "Roe guy" or "Roe RDM" instead of my chosen username.

[whiskeybravo]

Furthermore, you have no ownership over the battle log information nor your character's names—both of which being what FFlogs users.

Probably one of the most important points.

All aspects of the Game (including but not limited to the Game computer code, updates, patches, expansion packs, characters, character names, character data, virtual items, character profile information, (non-personal) account information, chat transcripts, artwork, plot, dialogue, locations, sounds and music) are owned by Square Enix or its licensors. You do not have any property rights in the service account you use to play the Game ("FINAL FANTASY XIV Service Account" or "FFXIV Service Account").

So, technically it's SE's personal data, not yours.

Not just that. By using this argument, SE would actually have to basically censor everyone's username in every instance, not just battle logs (and by extension parses).

Oh it's better than that. If you follow the claim to it's logical conclusion then it'd be inappropriate to ever even use someone's name in real life. "Hey Person I used to call Mom, how are you today?"

[Dzian]

You just defeated your own argument.

gonna be honest not sure how that defeats my point when the very first line of your quote says those things can be considered personal data. and as personal data would fall subject to privacy laws and GDPR.

This is why so many websites now throw cookie policies in your face when you visit them and won't even let you continue browsing the site untill you have accepted them or set your privacy preferences.

Regardless, this remains public information. If our usernames were considered private or sensitive information, it wouldn't be displayed where anyone can find it with a simple google search.

It's not that they're considered private or sensitive. it's that they're considered personal data. my game name being public information doesnt mean its not personal information. as stated in my previous post.

also as stated earlier. you give SE consent to use hold that information when you accept it's Terms and conditions. That consent however does not carry over to FFLOGS or any other third party which is why I like many others have said fflogs should be "Opt In" not Opt Out. because I haven't given fflogs explicit consent to hold data on me or my online id (character). and I doubt SE has actually given explicit consent either (espeically so given there official stance on parsers and third party tools)

[OpalValentine]

gonna be honest not sure how that defeats my point when the very first line of your quote says those things can be considered personal data. and as personal data would fall subject to privacy laws and GDPR.

This is why so many websites now throw cookie policies in your face when you visit them and won't even let you continue browsing the site untill you have accepted them or set your privacy preferences.

It's not that they're considered private or sensitive. it's that they're considered personal data. my game name being public information doesnt mean its not personal information. as stated in my previous post.

also as stated earlier. you give SE consent to use hold that information when you accept it's Terms and conditions. That consent however does not carry over to FFLOGS or any other third party which is why I like many others have said fflogs should be "Opt In" not Opt Out. because I haven't given fflogs explicit consent to hold data on me or my online id (character). and I doubt SE has actually given explicit consent either (espeically so given there official stance on parsers and third party tools)

It's a third party Parser, which is against SE's Terms of Service. If they wish to use it, let them.

If anyone asks me to purvey them a Log and I get kicked, I will report them. By then, it's out of my hands and into the Devs.

Let these guys win the argument and take your wisdom to where it's truly needed: in the game.

Regardless, you're right on the money on everything you said.

[KaivaC]

If anyone asks me to purvey them a Log and I get kicked, I will report them. By then, it's out of my hands and into the Devs.

So...allow me to take this to a logical thought. Were I to start thinking like this, if I were still seeking a static at this time in a PF and got rejected and then kicked because what they say weren't up to their standards, reporting them is the next best step and then letting the devs handle it from there? Is that pretty much the gist of what you're saying? Just wanna make sure I got that right before I actually finish up my response.

I would agree if some people weren't so salty about everything when it comes to pick up. When playing with randoms don't come in with high expectations. Always found it odd about the people joining a pug and expect a good/perfect run every time is all.

When it's raid night and a random tank fills in for a weekly on O10S, and that tank can't even be bothered to mitigate the tank busters, or switch when necessary after three runs...

When a DPS fills in and they repeatedly die to the fireballs or don't even pass the Arcane Bulwark when they get the orange marker, or drop an ice marker right in the party stack when Ahk Morn is about to come out...

...or someone coming in that can't handle the very first Flamethrower or is constantly failing the first Larboard/Starboard, when our PF clearly says Panko 1 prog...

But yeah, it's a surprise to expect competence...

[Bourne_Endeavor]

gonna be honest not sure how that defeats my point when the very first line of your quote says those things can be considered personal data. and as personal data would fall subject to privacy laws and GDPR.

This is why so many websites now throw cookie policies in your face when you visit them and won't even let you continue browsing the site untill you have accepted them or set your privacy preferences.

Can being the operative word. It implies subjectivity whereas you're attempting to argue an absolute. The quote even further elaborates by suggesting your account handles could be tied to personal information, i.e., you post it on your Facebook. It never implies an absolution, which is what you've been doing.

It's not that they're considered private or sensitive. it's that they're considered personal data. my game name being public information doesnt mean its not personal information. as stated in my previous post.

also as stated earlier. you give SE consent to use hold that information when you accept it's Terms and conditions. That consent however does not carry over to FFLOGS or any other third party which is why I like many others have said fflogs should be "Opt In" not Opt Out. because I haven't given fflogs explicit consent to hold data on me or my online id (character). and I doubt SE has actually given explicit consent either (espeically so given there official stance on parsers and third party tools)

You provide consent to SE for your personal information. In-game features or data do not count under that umbrella nor do you own said information. If FFlogs were somehow able to replicate your actual name, address, email and etc, then you'd have an argument. As it does nothing of the sort, putting your name in what is essentially a statistical database is no different than if I made an excel spreadsheet of forum posters. I do not require your permission to do so nor am I obligated to remove your name should you ask.

[SekkerOfTrust]

Can being the operative word. It implies subjectivity whereas you're attempting to argue an absolute. The quote even further elaborates by suggesting your account handles could be tied to personal information, i.e., you post it on your Facebook. It never implies an absolution, which is what you've been doing.



You provide consent to SE for your personal information. In-game features or data do not count under that umbrella nor do you own said information. If FFlogs were somehow able to replicate your actual name, address, email and etc, then you'd have an argument. As it does nothing of the sort, putting your name in what is essentially a statistical database is no different than if I made an excel spreadsheet of forum posters. I do not require your permission to do so nor am I obligated to remove your name should you ask.

You dont require his permission till he goes to authorities, demand you and/or the company then you will see what happen. SE can use the information but you as a player CANT use other player data nor to say a website that isnt SE related.