getting kicked from end game pfs as soon as I join?

[KaivaC]

Setting up the whole thing is easier in WoW (and you can't be ban) compared to FFXIV. This translate to fewer players uploading logs.

? You're gonna have to explain this logic to me, particularly the underlined section.

[KaivaC]

It's easy. When I play WoW I always upload my logs since setting up the whole thing is super easy. For FF I tried once, roll my eyes and give up, I'm pretty sure I'm not unique in this regard, and then we have PS4 players.

At WoW even casual raids group record/upload their logs but, at least to me, in FFXIV that's not the case, I have way more kills than my logs shows but only a few where recorded.

Ohhh, I think I read what you said incorrectly. I had thought that you meant that because it was easier to upload with WoW, it translated to fewer ppl there uploading. Thanks for clarifying - it's late, I'm sleepy. Sorry about that.

[AmeliaVerves]

The idea behind a sim is to show your supposed max DPS for your current gear under a perfect rotation. It's accurate enough to give you a good idea of what DPS you should be doing.

Oh, this is handy.
I mean everyone who is interested can just check fflogs and see what numbers the top players of each job are pulling and then compare that to their own numbers. Obv considering gear, but it's good enough to get a general idea of where you're standing.

[Caitlyn]

The idea behind a sim is to show your supposed max DPS for your current gear under a perfect rotation. It's accurate enough to give you a good idea of what DPS you should be doing.

How do you simulate RNG-based things like crits/dhs/procs? Some classes dont have a fixed rotation.

[OpalValentine]

Sorry to disappoint you, but Dzian Cielo isn't an online identifier. It's actually an application of pseudonymisation, meaning the game and all interactions with you inside the game are made solely through that pseudonym and nothing ingame links that pseudonym to your real life identity. That's even why any non-direct messaging is done through Mogmail instead of going to your email account associated with your SE account. All emails regarding the game are handled exclusively by SE and there's no way ingame to discern that email account bar you personally telling someone the address.

So no, parsing your portion of the shared battle logs isn't a violation of GDPR because there's no way to connect that information to your real life identity. GDPR would only be relevant to your online identity as an XIV player, if someone besides SE staff could link it to your real life identity.

Process:

You create an account to construct your Avatar.
You then create your name.
Your name, your avatar is under your account.

If you wish to look up my name, Opal Valentine, it's easy as using the search Bar.

The difference between using tools under SE and tools on a third party site is one is under legal obligations, while others is a risk ala without legal terms and obligations.

The purpose of the Parser is to gauge your performance, your progress and your overall output. Using it to build a party, exempt others on data outside first party tools is against ToS.

You can still be "Dox" by anyone through this third party tool.

I've read everyone's responses and not one has stayed on course of the OP's inquiry. Only one player here spoke on the repercussions of using this Log and everyone speaks on segregation.

If I hide my log, it's my information I wish to hide. If anyone were to kick me for it or ask and I refuse to let them know of it, that's harassment and I have that right to report you. If you were to place on your PF "I parse at this percentile. I have my proof; please show yours", then you're at LEAST being honest. Granted, I will avoid you like a plague, but I won't go after you for it.

On the other hand, even having high damage output doesn't guarantee a clear especially if you're in a matched group. There are console players that don't even use this, and other numeral contributing factors on the accuracy of the logs.

So no, Dzian Cielo IS an online identifier. If you, like every other player in this game, have a Facebook page based on your character, an Instagram, a Twitter, it can definitely lead to your personal information that anyone and everyone can find.

And it is definitely against violation of GDPR. It not only has anything to do with real-life identity, but of the intent of the use of a ToS-breaking third party tool.

Link: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...5bd14ffec4345f

Quote: "we would like to remind players that using third-party programs, parsers, or other tools to conduct actions players would not normally be able to do in the game is a violation of the Terms of Service, and will be dealt with strict disciplinary action."

[OpalValentine]

I'm replying because I wish to inform you that I Liked your post due to that beyond cute animated gif you have in your signature.

[HyoMinPark]

Logs are not much useful today, because poisoned by all the BiS groups running multiple log runs at o9s and making a normal, legit performance of someone at i370 appear like garbage.
Log runs and clears are two different things.

While a lot of the 99th percentile is padded runs, that doesn't mean people still can't get good parses from a "legitimate" run. I regularly get high purples (85+), and a couple weeks ago I got a 95 in Chaos and I'm not even BiS yet - I'm missing my weapon and body piece. And the AST in my group doesn't feed me single-target Balances.

If you're running i370 in Alphascape when the cap is now i400, of course your logs are going to look poor at this point in the tier. You should be in better gear for the later fights anyways.

Nice hyperbole though.

Process:

You create an account to construct your Avatar.
You then create your name.
Your name, your avatar is under your account.

If you wish to look up my name, Opal Valentine, it's easy as using the search Bar.

Which makes it public information—your in-game name is not protected by any sort of privacy law in any country. It’s public knowledge on this forum and on the Lodestone. And you cannot hide it.

You can still be "Dox" by anyone through this third party tool.

Do tell how you can retrieve a person’s personal information using a tool that reads public data from the game’s Battle Log.

I've read everyone's responses and not one has stayed on course of the OP's inquiry. Only one player here spoke on the repercussions of using this Log and everyone speaks on segregation.

Plenty of people gave OP reasons why they may have been kicked; it’s extremely hard to even know considering there was very little information given other than they were joining Alphascape Savage parties as a SAM. It seems it only happened twice, because they only listed two incidents in a later response, so it’s hardly something to get up in arms over.

Discussing a tangent that was brought up in the OP’s post and on page 1 isn’t against the rules. Conversations evolve.

If I hide my log, it's my information I wish to hide. If anyone were to kick me for it or ask and I refuse to let them know of it, that's harassment and I have that right to report you. If you were to place on your PF "I parse at this percentile. I have my proof; please show yours", then you're at LEAST being honest. Granted, I will avoid you like a plague, but I won't go after you for it.

Party leaders are allowed to kick whomever they wish from their PFs for whatever reason they wish. That’s not harassment. Harassment would be if they sent you /tells after kicking you pestering you about your logs. But simply asking and kicking when you don’t give them is not harassment: you didn’t meet their PF requirements, and they’re allowed to removed you. They aren’t required to take you, regardless of your personal preferences.

On the other hand, even having high damage output doesn't guarantee a clear especially if you're in a matched group. [b]There are console players that don't even use this, and other numeral contributing factors on the accuracy of the logs.

Speaking specifically on the bolded part here: the “accuracy of the logs” comes from the game’s Battle Log itself. Are you insinuating that the game’s Battle Log lies about its data? Just because PS4 players cannot use a parser doesn’t mean that the data is suddenly inaccurate. Please elaborate.

So no, Dzian Cielo IS an online identifier. If you, like every other player in this game, have a Facebook page based on your character, an Instagram, a Twitter, it can definitely lead to your personal information that anyone and everyone can find.

And, how so? Tell me, how does my in-game name lead to any of my personal data? If “Hyomin Park” was so sensitive, wouldn’t it make sense for it to be hidden on the Forum and the Lodestone as well? But it’s not. “Hyomin Park” gives you none of the personal information that would be protected under any sort of privacy laws, such as real name, address, billing information, applicable identification numbers (e.g., Driver’s License number, Social Security Number, etc.), demographical information, etc..

The only way people can get to your personal data is by hacking your account, in which case they don’t need your character name for, but your username and password.


I’ve read a few sites about this GDPR, and everything I read lists “online identifiers” as things like nationality, demographical information, information about a person’s physical or mental health, etc.. Nowhere have I seen it list online usernames as falling under what an “online identifier” is. Your character name tells me very little about who your real person is, just like mine does to you.

And it is definitely against violation of GDPR. It not only has anything to do with real-life identity, but of the intent of the use of a ToS-breaking third party tool.

From everything I have read, the GDPR seems to be EU only. The world is not the EU. It’s very likely it doesn’t have any jurisdiction outside of the EU, meaning that you cannot use it as a law to block this data in any other country. Like Japan, where this game is based, or the US or Oceania or Canada.

Link: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...5bd14ffec4345f

Quote: "we would like to remind players that using third-party programs, parsers, or other tools to conduct actions players would not normally be able to do in the game is a violation of the Terms of Service, and will be dealt with strict disciplinary action."

The developers are very aware people parse. They have watched Twitch streams with parsers active and nothing has happened to those players. So long as people don’t use them to abuse others, they don’t do anything—it’s very “don’t ask, don’t tell”.

Inb4 I’m met with “uploading my performance without my permission is abuse”, no, it’s not.

[whiskeybravo]

If you, like every other player in this game, have a Facebook page based on your character, an Instagram, a Twitter, it can definitely lead to your personal information that anyone and everyone can find.

Every other player in this game as a social media account for their character? News to me

Do virtual characters have rights? Sorry, but I think if you leave enough information online to relate your in game character's social media profile with your real life person - that'd be your own stupidity. That's a virtual profile you are creating/maintaining of your own will. A virtual profile in and of itself doesn't have any personal data. Facebook may be under obligation to protect the personal information you have given them, but they're not responsible for what you post online.

[Stormfur]

Perhaps the fact that uploading these parses on WoW is so easy is one of the main reasons why that game is so toxic compared to FFXIV. I mean, you can see how enabling this directly from FFXIV would make parsed performance the be-all-end-all of a group's performance, right? (I mean, in some cases it already is...but it's not an exclusive focus for everyone playing this game).

[AmeliaVerves]

Perhaps the fact that uploading these parses on WoW is so easy is one of the main reasons why that game is so toxic compared to FFXIV. I mean, you can see how enabling this directly from FFXIV would make parsed performance the be-all-end-all of a group's performance, right? (I mean, in some cases it already is...but it's not an exclusive focus for everyone playing this game).

I still fail to see how being competetive actually causes toxicity (apart from people being douchbags in the first place). You either care about your own and other peoples performance or you don't. Not having a clue about other people and failing bc someone wasn't aware of their "inferior" gameplay (or straight away lied about it) is causing way more toxicity imo.
Also in savage content (which we are talking about here) everything comes down to every single persons dps output. It's fair the leader wants to know how experienced/skilled the players joining their party are, even in PF.

Most of the time I experienced people being toxic was because they were butthurt. If someone get's kicked out of a party for not meeting the party leaders requirements it is not toxic. Not at all. It's every leaders right to choose who they want in their party. You can either get mad about it and rant/whine, or shrug and move on to join another party/open your own. I never understood how someone can be salty about a stranger not wanting to play with him/her.