Quote Originally Posted by EorzeaHero69 View Post
If people don't learn how to take advice about their jobs, they won't improve on their rotation.
Yes but how often is advice actually given.

Back to my WoW analogy the guild that tossed me out of their raid just told me to get good, learn to play. Albeit politely, there was no advice in that.

So I left, and then I found tips on an unrelated discord chat the next day...

So I did get better... but it was not from any advice by the people who would have been making a claim that I need to listen to advice...

I rarely see the people saying you need to follow advice actually offering it. 15 years in MMOs and it’s been a rare moment.

I do get your sentiment, but I feel one shouldn’t make that statement without at the same time backing it up with advice or an offer to help.

An aside on why my secobd guild didn’t have my first guild’s logs to check me on...

First guild was meticulous on logging and after every raid all the officers would move to a discord and review everyone. Then they would boot 3 people from the top raid down to the bottom one I was in, promote 3 from bottom, and show poor performers the door, giving new people their spots. So I got in there because someone else had been thrown out... I didn’t like that but it was what it was.

Hiwever they put their logs on the warcraft logs site using a personal account of one of the officers, without using the guild name. So I can still find those logs if I go look as I had that name. But if I searched for the guild I would see no records...

Second new guild actually also used an officer’s account, but had previously used the guild. So the log site looked like they’d stopped raiding 2 xPacs ago, but the wow version of lodestone showed current rapid progress without logs.

Second set of guys though, didn’t do the whole weekly boot/promote thing, and while they did look people’s logs up, they didn’t ask me if I had logs somewhere not found under my name.

(I don’t know how fflogs works, but on warcraftlogs you won’t find logs unless those logs where published from an account or posted under a guild name. If I post my log of you and me in a raid, and Jane searches for me she will see you, but if she searches for you she won’t find you unless your guild or you posted it).

So yeah... maybe the second guild would have still taken me if they’d found my older rock bottom logs... I don’t know... I really made the example here to stage my final question...

How hard is it for a player that has finally improved to be accepted if their bad past performance is still up there?

People here so far in this thread seem to think the FFXIV community won’t hold it against a person too much.

And if that’s really true, I’d not be too against logs...