getting kicked from end game pfs as soon as I join?

[WaterShield]

So a couple PFs I have joined for Alphascape Savage today and yesterday I was kicked from almost instantly, and every time I make a PF no one joins it? I am super confused about this, is it becasue I main Sam or is it because of FFlogs? I have heard a lot of people refusing to run with people who don't have good parses on FFLogs so idk...

edit: If i was kicked because of some kind of bad rep i have on my data center I would like to know about that too because I am completely lost on this I am on Aether Btw!

Well do keep in mind that on SAM you bring no utility only high personal damage. So if you're not doing much damage that means you wouldn't be contributing much of anything to the run. So there is a high chance people may be looking at your logs, because you're playing a class that requires you to bring good damage to not be a detriment to the party.

I would agree with the other posters that hiding the logs would only add fuel to the fire. Your best bet is to study up on the optimal rotation for your class and do some practice runs to get a feel for it.

Of course this all assumes you were bringing low damage. If not then I have no idea.

TLDR version: Likely a combination of logs and maining SAM

[Andevom]

Perhaps the fact that uploading these parses on WoW is so easy is one of the main reasons why that game is so toxic compared to FFXIV. I mean, you can see how enabling this directly from FFXIV would make parsed performance the be-all-end-all of a group's performance, right? (I mean, in some cases it already is...but it's not an exclusive focus for everyone playing this game).

FFXIV has been called toxic before, but any game with a large enough community is going to be seen that way eventually. It's a bit of stretch to say the ease of uploading parses is a big reason for increased hostilities, and I don't see any evidence to support that.

[AmeliaVerves]

TLDR version: Likely a combination of logs and maining SAM

Which also makes no sense tbh. If you have a NIN who has basically no clue how to play his class, it is most likely he also has no clue when to use his trick attack/shadewalk/whatever so you basically gain nothing from a grey NIN over a grey SAM. :/
The sad truth is: a lot of people who don't want to party up with a SAM/BLM don't even fully understand why statics/groups try to avoid those classes.
(Ironically there are a lot really good groups out there that have a SAM/BLM.)

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Logs are not much useful today, because poisoned by all the BiS groups running multiple log runs at o9s and making a normal, legit performance of someone at i370 appear like garbage.
Log runs and clears are two different things.

And yes, run savage with friends is the best thing you can do. The "very best" of community is there so you don't need to be upset about the behaviour you find there.

How are people with superior gear poisoning FFlogs? It's simple statistics. Better stats means better results. Naturally, the latter into the tier you clear, the more difficult it is to parse high. This is no different than real life, where it can be much harder to find a job the older you are, especially if you lack experience. Fortunately, unlike real life, FFlogs resets each tier, thereby allowing you to improve. I am leaps and bounds ahead of where I was a year ago. Furthermore, good players will dig deeper into your parses and see why they might be low, i.e., they'll account for low ilvl, slow kill times and late clears. This is why many groups trial people instead of simply looking at their FFlogs page and determining they aren't good enough.

Which also makes no sense tbh. If you have a NIN who has basically no clue how to play his class, it is most likely he also has no clue when to use his trick attack/shadewalk/whatever so you basically gain nothing from a grey NIN over a grey SAM. :/
The sad truth is: a lot of people who don't want to party up with a SAM/BLM don't even fully understand why statics/groups try to avoid those classes.
(Ironically there are a lot really good groups out there that have a SAM/BLM.)

If the grey NIN applies Trick Attack, period. They're already more useful than the grey SAM. If they aren't capable of even that degree of consistency, well, I'd kick both of them as neither have any business in Savage content if they don't know the basis of their job.

The sad truth is a staggering number of SAM/BLM have no idea what they're doing, which has prompted a stigma. I know plenty of people who refuse to run with a SAM unless they have good logs simply because they've come across so many bad ones, they don't trust them.

[Dzian]

I’ve read a few sites about this GDPR, and everything I read lists “online identifiers” as things like nationality, demographical information, information about a person’s physical or mental health, etc.. Nowhere have I seen it list online usernames as falling under what an “online identifier” is. Your character name tells me very little about who your real person is, just like mine does to you..

ICO

Example

An individual’s social media ‘handle’ or username, which may seem anonymous or nonsensical, is still sufficient to identify them as it uniquely identifies that individual. The username is personal data if it distinguishes one individual from another regardless of whether it is possible to link the ‘online’ identity with a ‘real world’ named individual.

What this means is Dzian Cielo is enough to distiguish myself as an individual from Hyomin Park. also note the last bit "the username is personal data if it distinguishes one individual from another. regardless of whetehr its possible to ink the online ID with a real world named individual.

Edit. I know GDPR is european but with the massive us senate privacy thing not so long ago i think theres a us equivelant around the corner.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

ICO

You just defeated your own argument.

Other examples of online identifiers that may be personal data include:

MAC addresses;
advertising IDs;
pixel tags;
account handles; and
device fingerprints.

The use of these may leave traces which, when combined with unique identifiers and other information received by servers, may be used to create profiles of individuals and identify them.

Regardless, this remains public information. If our usernames were considered private or sensitive information, it wouldn't be displayed where anyone can find it with a simple google search. Furthermore, you have no ownership over the battle log information nor your character's names—both of which being what FFlogs users. Simply put, you do not own anything related to your character. But let's play devil's advocate and say you did. SE clearly couldn't care less because not only do the devs know about FFlogs and ACT, they actively watch World First prog where its prominently displayed. Despite this, they haven't done a thing to prevent either use.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

You just defeated your own argument.



Regardless, this remains public information. If our usernames were considered private or sensitive information, it wouldn't be displayed where anyone can find it with a simple google search. Furthermore, you have no ownership over the battle log information nor your character's names—both of which being what FFlogs users. Simply put, you do not own anything related to your character. But let's play devil's advocate and say you did. SE clearly couldn't care less because not only do the devs know about FFlogs and ACT, they actively watch World First prog where its prominently displayed. Despite this, they haven't done a thing to prevent either use.

Not just that. By using this argument, SE would actually have to basically censor everyone's username in every instance, not just battle logs (and by extension parses). That means you wouldn't be able to refer to a specific person in party chat, FC chat, shout chat, etc.

Imagine: my FC having to refer to me by "Roe guy" or "Roe RDM" instead of my chosen username.

[whiskeybravo]

Furthermore, you have no ownership over the battle log information nor your character's names—both of which being what FFlogs users.

Probably one of the most important points.

All aspects of the Game (including but not limited to the Game computer code, updates, patches, expansion packs, characters, character names, character data, virtual items, character profile information, (non-personal) account information, chat transcripts, artwork, plot, dialogue, locations, sounds and music) are owned by Square Enix or its licensors. You do not have any property rights in the service account you use to play the Game ("FINAL FANTASY XIV Service Account" or "FFXIV Service Account").

So, technically it's SE's personal data, not yours.

Not just that. By using this argument, SE would actually have to basically censor everyone's username in every instance, not just battle logs (and by extension parses).

Oh it's better than that. If you follow the claim to it's logical conclusion then it'd be inappropriate to ever even use someone's name in real life. "Hey Person I used to call Mom, how are you today?"

[Makeda]

If people don't learn how to take advice about their jobs, they won't improve on their rotation.

Yes but how often is advice actually given.

Back to my WoW analogy the guild that tossed me out of their raid just told me to get good, learn to play. Albeit politely, there was no advice in that.

So I left, and then I found tips on an unrelated discord chat the next day...

So I did get better... but it was not from any advice by the people who would have been making a claim that I need to listen to advice...

I rarely see the people saying you need to follow advice actually offering it. 15 years in MMOs and it’s been a rare moment.

I do get your sentiment, but I feel one shouldn’t make that statement without at the same time backing it up with advice or an offer to help.

An aside on why my secobd guild didn’t have my first guild’s logs to check me on...

First guild was meticulous on logging and after every raid all the officers would move to a discord and review everyone. Then they would boot 3 people from the top raid down to the bottom one I was in, promote 3 from bottom, and show poor performers the door, giving new people their spots. So I got in there because someone else had been thrown out... I didn’t like that but it was what it was.

Hiwever they put their logs on the warcraft logs site using a personal account of one of the officers, without using the guild name. So I can still find those logs if I go look as I had that name. But if I searched for the guild I would see no records...

Second new guild actually also used an officer’s account, but had previously used the guild. So the log site looked like they’d stopped raiding 2 xPacs ago, but the wow version of lodestone showed current rapid progress without logs.

Second set of guys though, didn’t do the whole weekly boot/promote thing, and while they did look people’s logs up, they didn’t ask me if I had logs somewhere not found under my name.

(I don’t know how fflogs works, but on warcraftlogs you won’t find logs unless those logs where published from an account or posted under a guild name. If I post my log of you and me in a raid, and Jane searches for me she will see you, but if she searches for you she won’t find you unless your guild or you posted it).

So yeah... maybe the second guild would have still taken me if they’d found my older rock bottom logs... I don’t know... I really made the example here to stage my final question...

How hard is it for a player that has finally improved to be accepted if their bad past performance is still up there?

People here so far in this thread seem to think the FFXIV community won’t hold it against a person too much.

And if that’s really true, I’d not be too against logs...

[Makeda]

Sorry that was long and actually two unrelated points...

1. Please actually give advice when noting people need to take advice

2. I have no problems with people seeing my logs if they’re willing to see the improvement and not judge by a rough early stage.