Don't like Blue Mage? Here is how to convince SE to change it...

[Reynhart]

I fail to understand the point in a blue mage if all it can do is level and do old content.

I see you have three jobs level 70. I don't know which one was your first, but, technically, you didn't really get any new reward by leveling the two others (Unless you count mentor status, but level 60 would have been enough). So, I guess, at some point, you simply wanted to play something else.

Would you find it acceptable if the duty finder itself stated that you need certain spells before you could use matchmaking?

I already answered to this kind of question, and I don't think it would solve the problem because what the game requires is not automatically what the players ask. For example, there was a famous complain of someone meeting ilvl requirement for raids by having really high armor and accessories but a crap weapon. The game allows that, but angry people could still kick you out because of this. In the party finder, the leader could ask specifically for a high level weapon, and suddenly, you'd be to blame for joining without that requirement.

Worse case scenario (and a little bit of exageration), back in HW, you may have been kicked from Gubal for simply being lvl 59 since the dungeon allowed for level 60 to enter, and it was much faster to clear with a full group of 60.

[jon041065]

I already answered to this kind of question, and I don't think it would solve the problem because what the game requires is not automatically what the players ask. For example, there was a famous complain of someone meeting ilvl requirement for raids by having really high armor and accessories but a crap weapon. The game allows that, but angry people could still kick you out because of this. In the party finder, the leader could ask specifically for a high level weapon, and suddenly, you'd be to blame for joining without that requirement.

Worse case scenario (and a little bit of exageration), back in HW, you may have been kicked from Gubal for simply being lvl 59 since the dungeon allowed for level 60 to enter, and it was much faster to clear with a full group of 60.

I can get where you're coming from but disagree that SE should be solving the problem this way. I only think they should get involved where the are ToS violations BUT if they had to do something I would like to see them give us the tools to manage things ourselves. The idea I had would be for a cross world community with a very large member cap. It would be like a discord server with no voice chat but where the owner/mods could make various chat channels. Then there would be an option in the duty finder settings for "only match with members of your communities" so people would have some control over the types of players they are matched with if they so chose to.

[Reynhart]

I can get where you're coming from but disagree that SE should be solving the problem this way.

Oh, I'm sure there are lots of way to deal with this kind of issue. It's only that, with Blue Mage, they show they're willing to implement this type of solution. So, it should be more "acceptable" to ask them to do the same in regards to customization. I'd prefer job customization and special bonuses to be available everywhere and for everyone (And frankly, I really doubt it would be as apocalypctic as they fear). On a sidenote though, it would probably cost a lot if you'd like to include a 4th role type into the matchmaking, while it's irrelevant to preformed parties.

My reward was being able to do end game content as a dps, tank, or a healer.

This is not really a reward, especially considering you seem to separate "reward" and "experience". You don't get more tome, more gils, more items, etc... BLU is a new experience, a new way of leveling, and a a new way of doing old content...for now, becaus we still don't know anything about how the level cap will increase. And you'll have the Masked Carnivale as a completely new instance.

A question though. Since you already have a DPS, tank and healer at 70, and all of them are vanilla jobs, do you consider every advanced job a waste ?

[SturmChurro]

This is not really a reward, especially considering you seem to separate "reward" and "experience". You don't get more tome, more gils, more items, etc... BLU is a new experience, a new way of leveling, and a a new way of doing old content...for now, becaus we still don't know anything about how the level cap will increase. And you'll have the Masked Carnivale as a completely new instance.

A question though. Since you already have a DPS, tank and healer at 70, and all of them are vanilla jobs, do you consider every advanced job a waste ?

I do not think the current classses are a waste. I think they each have their own purpose for end game, or group-play in general. Like, you want to take this here, or this here. If I had the patience for leveling (grinding) I would level more of them for that specific purpose of end game group-play. I do still need a 2nd dps, a ranged one at 70. I only have a melee dps at 70. I have just started playing again.

Leveling a character to 70 is so you can use it at 70 (or completionist). What exactly do I get out of leveling a class to 50? Old content. Now, if there are people who will have fun playing it solo, and having a blast with whacky abilities that's good. I was just saying how I feel for myself. I think the disconnect here is you may or may not enjoy leveling, while I think of it as a slog just to get to endgame content. I want to play new content with my classes I put so much time in. Not old with a slightly different coat of paint. I can just log on now and burn through 50 content. I really just think it's a waste of time for me.

[Melichoir]

Leveling a character to 70 is so you can use it at 70 (or completionist).

Not necessarily. Some poeple just lvl classes to 70 just to have it done (as you stated), or to see that classes job quest story line. There are jobs Ive no intention of actually playing but Ill lvl them just to see the story involved. Not everything is about using or playing a class at 70. Or in short, not everything is about the destination. Sometimes its about the journey.

What exactly do I get out of leveling a class to 50? Old content. Now, if there are people who will have fun playing it solo, and having a blast with whacky abilities that's good. I was just saying how I feel for myself. I think the disconnect here is you may or may not enjoy leveling, while I think of it as a slog just to get to endgame content. I want to play new content with my classes I put so much time in. Not old with a slightly different coat of paint. I can just log on now and burn through 50 content. I really just think it's a waste of time for me.

I think the issue here is the assumption that old content is just old, and any new take on it is just "A new coat of paint". That may or may not be true in regards to BLU, as we dont actually know specifically how BLU will end up interacting with Old content. Furthermore, if nothing does change with old dungeons in of themselves, what is wrong with a "new coat of paint." This phrase is seen as a down side, but I think people dont actually consider the implications of a "new coat of paint". If you owned an old car but the engine was still perfectly fine, everything was great, but it looked beat up and old on the exterior, a "new coat of paint" can go a long way in livening up that car again. I do know the saying is about covering up old blemishes with new paint, but turned on its face, its also about restoring something thats older back to newer.

Why thats important is that BLU is supposed to do that. It's supposed to (from what we can gather) give you a new and unique way to interact with older content. This new experience with something older is actually (IMO) something the game needs. Now I think you just view it as "Well, Its just old stuff Ive been through. Been there, done that. Nothing's changed." but I think thats a narrow view of things thats robbing you of cool experiences all for the sake of keeping a narrow world view. Much like your view on lvling is that it is a means to an end, and not something that can be enjoyed.

Ill relate this to you, and maybe you can understand. People that can grind my gears a lot are people who power grind up to max lvl as fast as possible the second an xpac drops only to complain that theres nothing to do a week later and how stupid and boring the game is. It bother's me because it literally is a problem of their own making. If you play a game, but skip every cutscene, every chat dialogue, blow past every dungeon with no intent for gameplay but cheesing as much as possible, skip every little oddity and detail the game offers, all so you can get to max really quickly, thats on you for throwing away the bigger experience of actually leveling and seeing the world developers provide you. And I think this is a bigger problem a lot of people have. They think the important factor is getting to 'x' level. But MMOs (and RPGs in general) are about the journey there too. Point is, I think you may be to focused on the whole "getting to level cap" rather than giving due diligence and time to the journey there.

Well thats enough rambling.

[SendohJin]

I think the issue here is the assumption that old content is just old, and any new take on it is just "A new coat of paint". That may or may not be true in regards to BLU, as we dont actually know specifically how BLU will end up interacting with Old content.

you say "may or may not be true" as if it's a 50/50 proposition like a flat-earther would say it. there's absolutely no evidence for your "may not be true".

interacting with old content is irrelevant if the old content doesn't change at all. there's no evidence that it has changed at all.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

you say "may or may not be true" as if it's a 50/50 proposition like a flat-earther would say it. there's absolutely no evidence for your "may not be true".

interacting with old content is irrelevant if the old content doesn't change at all. there's no evidence that it has changed at all.

And yet people interact with old content in roulettes everyday. The horror...

If it's acceptable as a means to an end like getting tomestones/xp, it's also acceptable for getting BLU skills. Unless the people complaining about BLU having to run old content are considering boycotting roulettes as well...

[SturmChurro]

I see you have three jobs level 70. I don't know which one was your first, but, technically, you didn't really get any new reward by leveling the two others (Unless you count mentor status, but level 60 would have been enough). So, I guess, at some point, you simply wanted to play something else.

Actually, if you'll notice I did get a reward. The 3 classes at 70 I have are for a specific purpose. My reward was being able to do end game content as a dps, tank, or a healer. Experience the new (and old) content differently in 3 different ways. Blue mage will give me nothing. I did not enjoy leveling aside from the story, but I have already done. I will be stuck at 50 to do trash I already burn through constantly in roullette - that I can't even use. Unless I am missing something here about blue mage.