Don't like Blue Mage? Here is how to convince SE to change it...

[jon041065]

I already answered to this kind of question, and I don't think it would solve the problem because what the game requires is not automatically what the players ask. For example, there was a famous complain of someone meeting ilvl requirement for raids by having really high armor and accessories but a crap weapon. The game allows that, but angry people could still kick you out because of this. In the party finder, the leader could ask specifically for a high level weapon, and suddenly, you'd be to blame for joining without that requirement.

Worse case scenario (and a little bit of exageration), back in HW, you may have been kicked from Gubal for simply being lvl 59 since the dungeon allowed for level 60 to enter, and it was much faster to clear with a full group of 60.

I can get where you're coming from but disagree that SE should be solving the problem this way. I only think they should get involved where the are ToS violations BUT if they had to do something I would like to see them give us the tools to manage things ourselves. The idea I had would be for a cross world community with a very large member cap. It would be like a discord server with no voice chat but where the owner/mods could make various chat channels. Then there would be an option in the duty finder settings for "only match with members of your communities" so people would have some control over the types of players they are matched with if they so chose to.

[SturmChurro]

I see you have three jobs level 70. I don't know which one was your first, but, technically, you didn't really get any new reward by leveling the two others (Unless you count mentor status, but level 60 would have been enough). So, I guess, at some point, you simply wanted to play something else.

Actually, if you'll notice I did get a reward. The 3 classes at 70 I have are for a specific purpose. My reward was being able to do end game content as a dps, tank, or a healer. Experience the new (and old) content differently in 3 different ways. Blue mage will give me nothing. I did not enjoy leveling aside from the story, but I have already done. I will be stuck at 50 to do trash I already burn through constantly in roullette - that I can't even use. Unless I am missing something here about blue mage.

[Reynhart]

I can get where you're coming from but disagree that SE should be solving the problem this way.

Oh, I'm sure there are lots of way to deal with this kind of issue. It's only that, with Blue Mage, they show they're willing to implement this type of solution. So, it should be more "acceptable" to ask them to do the same in regards to customization. I'd prefer job customization and special bonuses to be available everywhere and for everyone (And frankly, I really doubt it would be as apocalypctic as they fear). On a sidenote though, it would probably cost a lot if you'd like to include a 4th role type into the matchmaking, while it's irrelevant to preformed parties.

My reward was being able to do end game content as a dps, tank, or a healer.

This is not really a reward, especially considering you seem to separate "reward" and "experience". You don't get more tome, more gils, more items, etc... BLU is a new experience, a new way of leveling, and a a new way of doing old content...for now, becaus we still don't know anything about how the level cap will increase. And you'll have the Masked Carnivale as a completely new instance.

A question though. Since you already have a DPS, tank and healer at 70, and all of them are vanilla jobs, do you consider every advanced job a waste ?

[SturmChurro]

This is not really a reward, especially considering you seem to separate "reward" and "experience". You don't get more tome, more gils, more items, etc... BLU is a new experience, a new way of leveling, and a a new way of doing old content...for now, becaus we still don't know anything about how the level cap will increase. And you'll have the Masked Carnivale as a completely new instance.

A question though. Since you already have a DPS, tank and healer at 70, and all of them are vanilla jobs, do you consider every advanced job a waste ?

I do not think the current classses are a waste. I think they each have their own purpose for end game, or group-play in general. Like, you want to take this here, or this here. If I had the patience for leveling (grinding) I would level more of them for that specific purpose of end game group-play. I do still need a 2nd dps, a ranged one at 70. I only have a melee dps at 70. I have just started playing again.

Leveling a character to 70 is so you can use it at 70 (or completionist). What exactly do I get out of leveling a class to 50? Old content. Now, if there are people who will have fun playing it solo, and having a blast with whacky abilities that's good. I was just saying how I feel for myself. I think the disconnect here is you may or may not enjoy leveling, while I think of it as a slog just to get to endgame content. I want to play new content with my classes I put so much time in. Not old with a slightly different coat of paint. I can just log on now and burn through 50 content. I really just think it's a waste of time for me.

[Melichoir]

Leveling a character to 70 is so you can use it at 70 (or completionist).

Not necessarily. Some poeple just lvl classes to 70 just to have it done (as you stated), or to see that classes job quest story line. There are jobs Ive no intention of actually playing but Ill lvl them just to see the story involved. Not everything is about using or playing a class at 70. Or in short, not everything is about the destination. Sometimes its about the journey.

What exactly do I get out of leveling a class to 50? Old content. Now, if there are people who will have fun playing it solo, and having a blast with whacky abilities that's good. I was just saying how I feel for myself. I think the disconnect here is you may or may not enjoy leveling, while I think of it as a slog just to get to endgame content. I want to play new content with my classes I put so much time in. Not old with a slightly different coat of paint. I can just log on now and burn through 50 content. I really just think it's a waste of time for me.

I think the issue here is the assumption that old content is just old, and any new take on it is just "A new coat of paint". That may or may not be true in regards to BLU, as we dont actually know specifically how BLU will end up interacting with Old content. Furthermore, if nothing does change with old dungeons in of themselves, what is wrong with a "new coat of paint." This phrase is seen as a down side, but I think people dont actually consider the implications of a "new coat of paint". If you owned an old car but the engine was still perfectly fine, everything was great, but it looked beat up and old on the exterior, a "new coat of paint" can go a long way in livening up that car again. I do know the saying is about covering up old blemishes with new paint, but turned on its face, its also about restoring something thats older back to newer.

Why thats important is that BLU is supposed to do that. It's supposed to (from what we can gather) give you a new and unique way to interact with older content. This new experience with something older is actually (IMO) something the game needs. Now I think you just view it as "Well, Its just old stuff Ive been through. Been there, done that. Nothing's changed." but I think thats a narrow view of things thats robbing you of cool experiences all for the sake of keeping a narrow world view. Much like your view on lvling is that it is a means to an end, and not something that can be enjoyed.

Ill relate this to you, and maybe you can understand. People that can grind my gears a lot are people who power grind up to max lvl as fast as possible the second an xpac drops only to complain that theres nothing to do a week later and how stupid and boring the game is. It bother's me because it literally is a problem of their own making. If you play a game, but skip every cutscene, every chat dialogue, blow past every dungeon with no intent for gameplay but cheesing as much as possible, skip every little oddity and detail the game offers, all so you can get to max really quickly, thats on you for throwing away the bigger experience of actually leveling and seeing the world developers provide you. And I think this is a bigger problem a lot of people have. They think the important factor is getting to 'x' level. But MMOs (and RPGs in general) are about the journey there too. Point is, I think you may be to focused on the whole "getting to level cap" rather than giving due diligence and time to the journey there.

Well thats enough rambling.

[Aikaal]

Personally, I'm waiting the next fanfest to voice my full opinion regarding BLU.

I'm judging all the announcements and, personally, I feel what they are doing with BLU is completely dumb. I will never unlock this job like I will never go in Eureka because I do not promote filth content because BLU feels pretty close to what I define as DLC (free) and seems to be a prototype for the future of the game.

Wait... Did I said free DLC? omegalul $30 Cloud Bike. I miss the time we were rewarded items for subbing.

[Daniolaut]

I'm not concerned about BLU, nor am I concerned a very small percent of the forum goers are upset over blu either.

There are only about 150 likes on one of the popular "BLU hate" threads, which is a very very tiny number. Especially considering the other big BLU hate thread, the second comment is a positive one for BLU and has over 80 likes, and OP only has about 40. (And most threads that actually get attention tend to have over 1,000 likes, and even then sometimes SE wont change their stance.)

With that being said I'll just recall the XIV community back to the end of 3.x and how everyone was crying WHM was garbage for 4.0 because of the changes and people were even kicking whm's from 3.0 24 man raids and such because of the backlash over it.

Yet here we are in 4.0, WHM was clearing savage just fine, even has plenty of ultimate clears to boot. So I am never going to listen to the forum community and their cries of gloom and doom. They were completely wrong about WHM. Yes Square-Enix did some changes, but nothing to pale in comparison to what the community was suggesting that needed to be done. They also adjusted other jobs equally or more than WHM since then, so clearly WHM wasnt as bad as community said it was, "deleteWHM" lol its great. I trust Square-Enix 100% with BLU, with FFVII, and anything else they do. They havent disappointed me ever once in the history of ever. Been a Final Fantasy fan for over 20 years and love every installment of the series.

Sorry for anyone who doesnt enjoy where they put their money! So if you dump your money in places you arent happy, you are the one sending the **companies** the wrong signal. As the company will always always invest where they are getting money!

[Melichoir]

Personally, I'm waiting the next fanfest to voice my full opinion regarding BLU.

I'm judging all the announcements and, personally, I feel what they are doing with BLU is completely dumb. I will never unlock this job like I will never go in Eureka because I do not promote filth content because BLU feels pretty close to what I define as DLC (free) and seems to be a prototype for the future of the game.

Wait... Did I said free DLC? omegalul $30 Cloud Bike. I miss the time we were rewarded items for subbing.

If you do not plan on unlocking the class, label the content as filth, then it strikes me that youve already made a judgement about the content. And by and large, youll never know if it was fun or not cause youve already decided its not fun, you hate it, and youre not going to support it. So why would you say youll wait till giving your full opinion. It sounds an awful like you have.

[whiskeybravo]

If you do not plan on unlocking the class, label the content as filth, then it strikes me that youve already made a judgement about the content. And by and large, youll never know if it was fun or not cause youve already decided its not fun, you hate it, and youre not going to support it. So why would you say youll wait till giving your full opinion. It sounds an awful like you have.

Because dead content is dead. It doesn't matter how "fun" BLU turns out, it's going to be useless in Content That Matters. Facts. There is no "try it and see" when you're not interested in trying it to begin with. Also not buying the "new coat of paint" line. People aren't going to run dungeon after dungeon reviving old content, they're going to find the most efficient way to get a skill and that'll be it - go in, get the skill, and on to the next one. In fact, I'd wager money most people are going to be powerleveling in Northern Than so they can equip the best lv50 gear and then go back and get missing skills easier.

[Melichoir]

Because dead content is dead.

Define this. And be very specific about what dead content is and what you mean by "dead".

Furthermore, the "Just gonna run this, get the skill and bail" defeats the point of the journey. You become one of those people who burn through everything just to get to cap and then wonder why theres nothing left to do. Because not everything is about "Get to Level Cap." If youre gonna play the game like that, play it where you just cheese as much as possible to get to cap as fast as possible, instead of enjoying things, thats on you. You wont get to sit there and say "Theres not enough content," or "This game is so boring," or etc if youre choosing to shove aside all the content thats there in pursuit of your personal feelings that the only thing that matters is getting to cap as fast as possible and anything in between doesnt matter. Thats my contention.

You and anyone who is like that wants to play the game like that. You can. Just dont expect people like me to agree with you if youre choosing to bypass everything, skip every cutscene, mash through every chat dialogue, and so forth when you start complaining about the lack of things to do.