Please stop making Eureka

[Alleo]

Just hope their new never before seen content/Diadem 3.0 in 5.0 isn't Eureka but in space or something.

It will be under water with horrible slow movements, krakens that will one shot you if you dont do a certain thing and to have people even go into this they will put blitzball behind it but like LoV and other content it will be reinvented again and truly not that fun.

@OP: I believe that we will still get the last part of Eureka (lets just pray that not even more items will be put behind this...) but I really hope that they finally listen to the players and not just create Diadem 4.0...

Anemos is widely considered decent. Most people complaining about Eureka are referring to Pagos, which took considerably longer and forced a very boring grind. I did it as a group but killing hundreds of brain dead trash mobs with zero mechanics isn't what I call fun nor did the friends accompanying me. You're talking to someone with multiple Animas (before nerfs), Savage clears, Ultimate and grind heavy achievements. I have no issues with grinds. I have issue with boring, unimaginative grinds. Pyros may be better but I have to slog through Pagos to even see it.

Well I would not call it widely considered decent. We had a huge thread about this when it was released with people discussing Anemos and a lot of it was negative. Even with the train a lot of people still did not like it and others stated that they only like it because they can socialize or that the train makes it bearable. Thats imo not decent. We also had JP posts with over 100 likes that called it dirt. So even there quite some people did not truly like it. We had one poll on reddit (which was made in favor for Anemos since it had two positive and one negative options) and even still only a small amount truly liked it and more found it "meh its okay" and I think around 30% outright took the option that they hate it. And this with a poll that was not even great at all.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Simply because the devs didn't seriously consider canceling Pyros or the next one.

They could cancel the fourth rendition of Eureka tomorrow and the only question people would have is "We can still get our i405 relic, right?" If they locked it behind a Primal farm ala 3.55, you'd scarcely hear more than a peep about it. In fact, you'd see more threads rejoicing.

Neither was Eureka.

The relic has always been on intended for the more casual player. Not in terms of ability but time. It's meant to give people a sense of character progression for those who aren't interested in overly difficult mechanics or more skill heavy environments. Eureka doesn't adhere to this. In fact, it takes away any semblance of choice. You've ranted about the tomestone grind, however people at least had options. They don't anymore. They can't casually do Beat Tribes while waiting on queues or run 24 mans for Light. We actually little to no reason whatsoever to even look at old content anymore. If you want the relic, you have to do Eureka; you have to grind thousands of trash mobs with zero mechanics; you have farm light all in Eureka.

Until Stormblood, the relic revolved around doing casual content to progress your character. You can't get around the fact they moved it away from that hence the near universal disdain. At least for Pagos. We'll see how Pyros turns out.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

I look at it this way. I did not like Anemos but it was tolerable in short spurts. But it was still unpleasant enough that I decided that the Stormblood relic was off the table for me after that stage and I never stepped foot in Pagos nor do I have any intention of doing so. Obviously that means I'll never see Pyros either. Eureka is just bad content to me. Its not fun... its painful, unpleasant, boring and without significant changes gets worse over time. The big problem with Eureka is that its the gatekeeper of the relic.

It's like SE wanted to get FFXI elements into FFXIV but wanted to ensure the content wouldn't be rejected so they looked at Diadem and decided the problem with it was that it wasn't rewarding enough to entice players in and figured that putting the relic there would do the trick. For some people it was enough to get them in the door, but not me. I have a limit to what I will suffer through to get things I want. Anemos was that limit for me. I won't give Pagos or Pyros a second thought.

Eureka isn't just a grind. It's a grind you can't do at your convenience because you're beholden to the groups available. It's a grind that requires not just grinding the stages of the relic but through an entirely separate leveling system that is made complicated by the element system/hidden spawn conditions and punitive if you're solo or your group has a slower kill speed. It's a grind that syncs your ilvl so you can never overpower it no matter how good your gear is. It's a grind that goes out of its way to make every little thing inconvenient and relies on the relic carrot to make you suck it up and "enjoy it" to get your relic weapon done. Well this bunny decided that this particular carrot isn't worth hopping into a meat grinder to get. Pagos was dead on arrival to me and now Pyros is as well. Eureka might as well not exist because it is not "content" I want anything to do with.

If SE does Eureka-like content again in the next xpac I will likely stop playing FFXIV. I play games to have fun, not give myself paper cuts and then pour salt on them. Eureka constitutes such a significant portion of Stormblood's development, and available content, that repeating this horror of a design philosophy would basically turn FFXIV into a game I won't want to play anymore. Making content isn't enough. You have to make content I WANT to do that I feel is WORTH doing. Eureka is neither of those things.

[InkstainedGwyn]

This is the first time I've ever actually considered unsubscribing. All of the new additions this patch (short of Hildi) are locked behind Pyros, under layers and layers of RNG. PVP is annoying, but there's no RNG about it - you save up points, you buy the thing you want. Sure, it was bad enough when it was HoH - I won't deny that having RNG in there sucks, too, I'm not trying to negate people's frustration with HoH - but that's at least easy content you can take in spurts of 10 floors at a time, max 45-60m. And there was only one type of "lockbox" to contend with. Anything I wanted that dropped in HoH has already dropped so low on the marketboard that I can buy it; the haircut is barely a mil and the crafting mats are 300 gil max on my server.

Unless, somehow, the new furnishings and hair drop in an easier method than the shiver emote, it's going to be ridiculous. The shiver emote is still going for 10-20 mil on my server, and the only one currently available is at a price no one will buy, 500 mil.

[HyoMinPark]

Unless, somehow, the new furnishings and hair drop in an easier method than the shiver emote, it's going to be ridiculous. The shiver emote is still going for 10-20 mil on my server, and the only one currently available is at a price no one will buy, 500 mil.

For what it’s worth, I’ve heard that the hairstyle, at least, has a much better droprate compared to “Shiver”.

[Xtrasweettea]

Please. just stop. at this point I would rather have less content in SB and better content in the next expansion. You're wasting everyone's time with this useless crapfest. And this is me being as nice as I possibly can.

No, don't stop making Eureka. Instead, make another Eureka to flex on the haters!

[InkstainedGwyn]

For what it’s worth, I’ve heard that the hairstyle, at least, has a much better droprate compared to “Shiver”.

That's some small consolation, so thank you (although the spice rack is really where my ambitions lie.)

I'm still mad, though. I don't begrudge people who want Eureka and enjoy it. I never begrudged people Rival Wings or Ultimate Anything. But when those came out, there was still other stuff in the patch I could enjoy. I don't have to have all of the patch catered to me, but I do want something. But this time they literally locked every single thing they could behind Eureka, praying that it would force people into it. So much for "if you want the relic, you'll need to do the relic quest" - it's "if you want anything, you'll have to do the relic quest".

I'm surprised they didn't put the start of the 4.45 Hildibrand questline in an area of Pyros that you can only get to after level 45.

[PerrinTaveren]

I think pyros seems A LOT BETTER than pagos. At least exp is nice and map isn't a holy labyrinth. Tbh, apart from the thing that eureka isn't solo friendly at all if you want glamours, mount, minions etc from it, i learned to enjoy it.

But pagos was hell... I hope they learned from their mistake and pyros rng will be a bit more relaxed on glam items. Bec most of the people i know doing eureka is because of glamour/mount/minion/tt cards etc. Not because of relic..

[Aster_E]

I'm surprised they didn't put the start of the 4.45 Hildibrand questline in an area of Pyros that you can only get to after level 45.

Please don't give Yoshi any more bad ideas.

[HyoMinPark]

That's some small consolation, so thank you (although the spice rack is really where my ambitions lie.)

I'm still mad, though. I don't begrudge people who want Eureka and enjoy it. I never begrudged people Rival Wings or Ultimate Anything. But when those came out, there was still other stuff in the patch I could enjoy. I don't have to have all of the patch catered to me, but I do want something. But this time they literally locked every single thing they could behind Eureka, praying that it would force people into it. So much for "if you want the relic, you'll need to do the relic quest" - it's "if you want anything, you'll have to do the relic quest".

I'm surprised they didn't put the start of the 4.45 Hildibrand questline in an area of Pyros that you can only get to after level 45.

Oh, trust me. I share your concerns. I’ve stockpiled farming Ex mounts to have something to do after I finish Alphascape and clear UCoB because I decided when Pagos released that I wasn’t going to participate in Eureka or the Relic anymore this expansion. But it is astounding how much they continue to shove in there in a vain hope people will suddenly love the content.

My concern for FFXIV has grown a lot since Pagos released, and if 5.0 brings another Relic with another Diadem reskin and more copy-paste content, I’ve also considered moving on to another game. Even if they come out with awesome Savage fights and awesome Ultimate fights, because I want something more to do. Raiding isn’t all there is, and it isn’t all I’ve enjoyed in FFXIV. Up until now, at least.