Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

[DeadRiser]

3 more camps taken by PL to that other post I posted earlier. Yes this was all in one day. I even fought back against the PL's for the camp to kick them out.

It's sad when you have to resort to taking a PL camp to effectively level up in a group setting.

[Issac]

This is an appeal, SquareEnix. It's time to tell us what your plans are for the long term on this split issue. You have the people that hate it, the people that embrace it, and the people that don't care.

Looking at this logically, the big question here is, "How many potential subs would you lose either way once making a firm, long-term statement of your plans with this?" If you announce that PL is here to stay, permanently, for the foreseeable future, how many people would leave? If you reverted and removed the possibility of PL, how many people would leave?

I strongly believe the prior will result in more lost subscribers, but I am no expert in these things. I do know that if you tell us that, for sure, powerleveing will remain and all cap raises will be easily gained just as 40-50, I will be leaving.

So, SE. Tell us. I'm tired of the second-guessing.

[AmyRae]

Looking at this logically, the big question here is, "How many potential subs would you lose either way once making a firm, long-term statement of your plans with this?"

I'm going to go with the price of the subscription as being the main reason people are leaving. It's not because of powerleveling.

[Issac]

I'm going to go with the price of the subscription as being the main reason people are leaving. It's not because of powerleveling.

Regardless of that. This thread is about powerleveling and not about subscription fees. I'm sure many will leave because of the fee alone and that wouldn't be considered in any hypothetical measurement.

Also, fallacy. <3

[AmyRae]

Regardless of that. This thread is about powerleveling and not about subscription fees. I'm sure many will leave because of the fee alone and that wouldn't be considered in any hypothetical measurement.

Also, fallacy. <3

How is that fallacious?

You'll have people leaving because of subscription fees, and those who will stay knowing full well there's powerleveling. Now are those people who are staying going to spontaneously quit over powerleveling in the future? I doubt it very much.

[Issac]

How is that fallacious?

You'll have people leaving because of subscription fees, and those who will stay knowing full well there's powerleveling. Now are those people who are staying going to spontaneously quit over powerleveling in the future? I doubt it very much.

It's fallacious because you're bringing one unrelated subject as an invalidism to another. I already explained it in my first response.

People think in many different ways, and opinions branch in all directions. People may quit for multiple reasons, be it subscription fee, lack of content, powerleveling, or even being butthurt by a rival in-game. I'm taking a logical, singular selection from these multiple reasons as it is for a singular change in gameplay. How many would leave because of this change?

People may leave regardless of the change because of subscription fees, being butt-hurt, or bored, but those are all different reasons anyway. How many would leave, either way, specifically because of issues regarding powerleveling?

What is the net worth of each group in this very specific sample?

[Rowyne]

3 more camps taken by PL to that other post I posted earlier. Yes this was all in one day. I even fought back against the PL's for the camp to kick them out.

It's sad when you have to resort to taking a PL camp to effectively level up in a group setting.

This is another example of why the devs really need to think twice about how PLing is affecting the community.

Weighing the pros and cons, I'm finding there are more negatives to powerleveling than positives:

Advantages

• New and returning players can play with high level friends.
• Low level players can move toward high level content more quickly.

Disadvantages

• As the playerbase becomes prematurely top-heavy, finding others to experience low-mid level content with becomes more difficult. Even moreso if you wish to experience it with a level-appropriate group. This alienates new and low level players who wish to experience the game as it was meant to be played.
• Similarly, the demand for additional low-mid level content becomes less vocalized as many people simply bypass it, leaving new and low level players with less to do.
• Those who wish to level via old-school grinding with a regular party will find it more difficult since many people now insist on bringing along a powerleveler.
• Camps fill up quickly with powerleveling parties in an environment that was never meant to allow for this kind of leveling design.
• Players who skyrocket to level cap by none of their own effort lack the proper knowledge or gear to participate in the endgame content they raced toward. People become less trusting of random players and are not as open to partying with new people that they do not know.
• All of the above points lead to frustration within the community. A community that cannot afford any more discontent right now.

[AmyRae]

It's fallacious because you're bringing one unrelated subject as an invalidism to another. I already explained it in my first response.

Well, I hate to break it to you, but you're the one being fallacious. You brought up powerleveling as a reason people would quit. It's not unrelated to point out that the prime motivation for people to quit any time soon is the introduction of fees. And those that remain past the point of fees are going to understand and accept how powerleveling works.

So, basically, your question about powerleveling causing people to quit is moot. Those who quit will quit for the fees, and those who stay will stay in spite of the powerleveling.

[KyrsIsley]

Well, I hate to break it to you, but you're the one being fallacious. You brought up powerleveling as a reason people would quit. It's not unrelated to point out that the prime motivation for people to quit any time soon is the introduction of fees. And those that remain past the point of fees are going to understand and accept how powerleveling works.

So, basically, your question about powerleveling causing people to quit is moot. Those who quit will quit for the fees, and those who stay will stay in spite of the powerleveling.

There are plenty of reasons why people would quit a game, no one is denying that, the OP knows that.

However, THIS thread in particular is discussing the "power leveling" aspect ONLY. So if you would like to discuss why people are quitting over the "subscription fee", you are welcome to start a new thread anytime, that's your prerogative.

[AmyRae]

There are plenty of reasons why people would quit a game, no one is denying that, the OP knows that.

However, THIS thread in particular is discussing the "power leveling" aspect ONLY. So if you would like to discuss why people are quitting over the "subscription fee", you are welcome to start a new thread anytime, that's your prerogative.

I am discussing the powerleveling aspect. I'm saying it's irrelevant to the big picture.