Culling and restructuring skills to make room for 5.0 abilities

[Shurrikhan]

True, Tornado Kick and Purification at least got some uses this expansion, but could use another look. Personally, I would like to see Tornado Kick unchanged, but Perfect Balance changed to just instantly give 3 stacks of GL. That way you can use Tornado Kick every time Perfect Balance comes off cooldown as an added DPS move instead of being just marginally viable at the end of a Riddle of Fire burst phase or before a boss jumps.

Many a top parse uses Tornado Kick every 30 seconds... It's far from being marginalized.

Personally I just want to see GL apply from Wind Tackle itself, rather than Riddle of Wind. Standardize Shoulder Tackle variants' damage at 130 each, or perhaps 140 for Flame Tackle. Change Riddle of Wind to allow a second dash from Fists of Wind without stun or damage for 10 seconds after using any Shoulder Tackle variant. That way you don't need to pop 4 oGCDs for every TK (TK-FoW-WT-RoW). Also, let Earth Tackle knock self back if the enemy can't be moved, to give it at least some usefulness.

[wereotter]

Many a top parse uses Tornado Kick every 30 seconds... It's far from being marginalized.

Personally I just want to see GL apply from Wind Tackle itself, rather than Riddle of Wind. Standardize Shoulder Tackle variants' damage at 130 each, or perhaps 140 for Flame Tackle. Change Riddle of Wind to allow a second dash from Fists of Wind without stun or damage for 10 seconds after using any Shoulder Tackle variant. That way you don't need to pop 4 oGCDs for every TK (TK-FoW-WT-RoW). Also, let Earth Tackle knock self back if the enemy can't be moved, to give it at least some usefulness.

My own personal experience is that the TK every 30 seconds (they're swapping stances to use Riddle of Wind instead of Fire Tackle) is that the DPS increase is only marginal. Yes it's something you want to do if your latency is low enough and getting that minor buff over other monks is important to you, but it's not a massive increase. This is at least from my own attempts to do the same thing. Regardless, if Perfect Balance immediately gave you 3 GL stacks, then there's no need to swap stances to Fists of Wind in order to use Tornado Kick on a regular basis.

[Shurrikhan]

My own personal experience is that the TK every 30 seconds (they're swapping stances to use Riddle of Wind instead of Fire Tackle) is that the DPS increase is only marginal. Yes it's something you want to do if your latency is low enough and getting that minor buff over other monks is important to you, but it's not a massive increase. This is at least from my own attempts to do the same thing. Regardless, if Perfect Balance immediately gave you 3 GL stacks, then there's no need to swap stances to Fists of Wind in order to use Tornado Kick on a regular basis.

Okay, but... why would you want to make using TK every 30/60 seconds obligatory? It's disruptive to "smooth" rotation even then, and per 60 it'd lose everything about it that would otherwise make it feel... like TK, all while costing Monk its most noteworthy mechanic.