Thread: Culling and restructuring skills to make room for 5.0 abilities

Like Stormblood, 5.0 will probably usher in at least 2 new buttons per job. To make room for this, I have some suggestions for at least Dragoon (my main job).

1) Remove Heavy Thrust completely and put the Damage+10% buff onto Vorpal Thrust and shorten the buff duration to accommodate this.

2) Remove Impulse Drive and allow for True Thrust to combo into both Vorpal Thrust and Disembowel. Doing this puts Dragoon in-line with other melee:
NIN: Gust Slash combos into Aeolian Edge, Armor Crush, and Shadow Fang
SAM: Hakaze combos into Jinpu, Shifu, and Yukikaze
PLD: Fast Blade combos into Riot Blade and Savage Blade
WAR: Heavy Swing combos into both Skull Sunder and Maim
DRK: Hard Slash combos into both Spinning Slash and Siphon Strike.

This streamlines DRG's combos completely and removes 2 unnecesary abilities and creating room for some new weapon skills.

While we're at it, remove Hot Shot and find some other way to bake it into the kit without 1 button press every 60 seconds

Owyeah, no doubt there will be weeding out/replacing of certain skills. Only so much buttons on a keyboard ;D

While there is no doubt of a culling i think there is another way to free up button space.

auto forwarding combo buttons, proc based skill changing buttons, stat based skill changing buttons.

And before the "but this will make the game dull end easy" crowd jumps in, we allready have them ingame outside of PvP.
WAR: Fellcleave/Inner Beast, Decimate/Steel Cyclone;
AST: Draw/Play Card, Spread/play Card;
MNK: Tackles;
DRG: Geirskogul/Nastrond;
NIN: Ninjutsu;
SAM: Iaijutsu;
MCH: normal Shots/Heated Shots;
SMN Ruin II/Ruin IV
These are all ingame and some of them were ingame before the PvP button culling.

Originally Posted by Duskane

yeah that is a dumb excuse
but with how striking jobs work it just wouldn't end well
since SAM mekiyo shisui can bypass combo to fill up sen or reapply buffs
and Monk is all over the place

SAMs Mekiyo Shisui is really in an odd place for this and it has to be reworked for a transition into auto advancing buttons.
As an example for a possible solution:
Mekiyo Shisui
Execute up to 3 weaponskills without prerequisites.
Combos are advanced to their combo finishers.
Adds the effect of Shifu to Kasha.
Adds the effect of Jinpu to Gekko.
Does not affect Iaijutsu.
Duration: 10 seconds

Monk on the other hand has also just one problem: Perfect Balance.
His 6 main GCD weaponskills can easily be sorted into 2 combo strings and placed on 2 buttons which are advancing to the appopiate skill for its current form.
Button 1:

1. No form/Opo-opo form: Bootshine
2. Raptor form: True Strike
3. Coeurl form: Snap Punch

Button 2:

1. No form/opo-opo form: Dragon Kick
2. Raptor form: Twin Snakes
3. Coeurl form: Demolish

So both buttons will advance based on the form and the "combos" can be mixed like usual.
Perfect Balance is the only skill who needs a whole bunch of rework to fit into this changes, even more like my Mekiyo Shisui example, but it is possible.

For BLM i can imagine Fire/Blizzard 3 turning into Fire/Blizzard 4 whenever Enochian is active. Everyone is using Fire/Blizzard 1 or something else to refresh Enochian anyway :P

(guess the starting move ice->fire would lose a lttle bit of dmg then tho.. hmm..)

Originally Posted by TimeraiderGaranyi

For BLM i can imagine Fire/Blizzard 3 turning into Fire/Blizzard 4 whenever Enochian is active. Everyone is using Fire/Blizzard 1 or something else to refresh Enochian anyway :P

(guess the starting move ice->fire would lose a lttle bit of dmg then tho.. hmm..)

You can exchange Fire with Fire III while in UI and for Firestarter-Procs, because Fire II has no other uses then transitioning from UI to AF or using the Proc.
Also you can Exchange Fire IV and Ice IV with each other while in their coresponding UI/AF state, because they arn't useable in the other.