Non-binary option for characters, please?

[Fynlar]

Being trans disrupts your life, boom, now it's a disorder.

People with problems need help. You're saying "not all" but if they fall into that category they do. That's like saying not everyone that hordes doesn't need help.

Except it doesn't mean that for every trans person. For some, the only "problem" they have as a result of being trans is all the "normal" people insisting they have a problem.

Surprisingly enough, that doesn't count as a innate problem tied to their condition. It's just bigots being bigots, and wise guys thinking they're able to speak for the personal experiences of others when in reality they don't have a damn clue what's going on in someone else's head. Go figure.

A disorder is a disorder if it's a disorder. Not if you casually "decide" it's a disorder for yourself, that's not how things work.

That's actually exactly how the more ambiguous disorders work. If it doesn't disrupt order, it's pretty erroneous to call it a disorder. And in this case, it's up to the individual to decide if this is something that disorders their life.

This is exactly why GID got a rename in the DSM, because having a gender different from your sex doesn't cause disorder for everyone. Incidentally, asexuality (and other non-hetero sexual orientations in the past, such as homosexuality) is another sort of thing that used to fall under disorders in the DSM (such as HSDD) but have now been recognized as a legitimate orientation and not inherently a disorder.

Also for the record it is ok to have a mental disorder, you need to relax.

Never said it wasn't okay. What isn't okay is insisting someone has a disorder when they aren't suffering disorder. That's just victimizing them for no reason other than your need to feel superior over them.

[kikix12]

Except it doesn't mean that for every trans person. For some, the only "problem" they have as a result of being trans is all the "normal" people insisting they have a problem.

Surprisingly enough, that doesn't count as a innate problem tied to their condition. It's just bigots being bigots, and wise guys thinking they're able to speak for the personal experiences of others when in reality they don't have a damn clue what's going on in someone else's head. Go figure.

So...There is a man that always assumed he, himself, was a woman. That's a trans person, right?!

Now, we have two possibilities. Them undergoing the sex change surgery and the accompanying therapy and whatever else is part of it (it depends on country and doesn't really matter much further in this post anyway) or them not undergoing it and accepting the fact that they have the opposite sex.

1) If they underwent surgery then the matter is actually clear. They WERE bothered by it. They life WAS negatively impacted. The surgery was their "cure" in much the same way as it is for physical ailments. The only difference here is that a physical change is for the sake of aiding the mental sphere of someones life. But you know what?!...That's not even unique. Women that undergo mastectomy sometimes fall prey to severe depression, loss of self-esteem etc. Their cure is a surgery that gives them back the breast or breasts that were previously cut. Well, a fake one, not the exact same. And their depression often completely disappears after that. And I'll have you know, depression is without a doubt considered a mental disorder in every part of the world by pretty much every doctor. The most common mental disorder in the world, in fact. So yes, surgery whose purpose is to make a person "feel good" is a proof of them having a mental issue before it.

2) If they live in a male body they have to deal with the consequences of that. They will have to use the toilet for men whenever they go to school, shopping centers etc. They will be spoken to by "mister", "sir" by everyone they didn't meet before (and apparently that is an issue, it is this threads very point). They will have to write they are male on any document that requires that information. They will not be allowed to take work that is reserved for women only (employers often prefer women for certain roles, like hostesses, but it's a must-have for actors that play women too, obviously). Even if the law somehow allows a person to be considered a woman despite being in a mans body thus allowing them to enter the womens toilets or signing documents as a woman, they still will not be allowed to undertake those jobs (since those usually are based on body, not documents) and they have to actually go through the process of that being accepted. It's an equivalent of a surgery.


So...No matter which way I look at it, a person that is trans have their life quality being negatively impacted at some point, whether or not they accept themselves. Even if they accept themselves and shrug at the consequences of that, they are likely to have moments when they will be more susceptible to that popping up. And if they don't?!...Um...Are they actually trans people then? I mean, if a person feels perfectly fine living in a mans body a mans life...can they really be trans, can they really consider themselves women, in the first place?!


In my opinion it seems like you are denying the trans people the consideration. You are blindly pushing this philosophy of yours without any real care into what it means for the people you'd like to think you "defend". This is part of the reason why feminists or other activists are so looked down upon. They often cause more harm than good to those they are "standing up for", all the while getting on the nerves of everyone else in the process.

[Sigma-Astra]

Never said it wasn't okay. What isn't okay is insisting someone has a disorder when they aren't suffering disorder. That's just victimizing them for no reason other than your need to feel superior over them.

I hope you're not the type of person that says depression isn't a mental disorder and that those people just need to think positive thoughts or something based on your stance regarding that people having a gender identity crisis isn't some kind of disorder either.