Non-binary option for characters, please?

[Fynlar]

As a trans-woman (post-everything, married, successful, happy), it is a mental disorder. The stigma of mental disorder is a completely separate issue, but GID /GD is still a mental disorder.

And as a trans person, you're still not immune to being intolerant of others.

It's a disorder if it disrupts your life. Problem is, you have other people artificially giving trans people a hard time, and then when they react to it (because who wouldn't react to being mistreated?), those other people are like "see, you're disordered!" and that... doesn't really count.

If it was a disorder for you and you fully accept that fact, great. You do not get to decide that for everyone else.

[Selova]

And as a trans person, you're still not immune to being intolerant of others.

It's a disorder if it disrupts your life. Problem is, you have other people artificially giving trans people a hard time, and then when they react to it (because who wouldn't react to being mistreated?), those other people are like "see, you're disordered!" and that... doesn't really count.

If it was a disorder for you and you fully accept that fact, great. You do not get to decide that for everyone else.

You're right, you don't get to decide. Scientific data is the deciding factor and it's been proven and medically documented as a Mental Disorder. You not wanting to admit it because you somehow think that everyone that agree's with it being a disorder is somehow equivalent to them looking down on someone or treating them differently that's suffering from it, does not change that indisputable fact that it is a Mental Disorder. No one is attacking trans people or looking down on them in this thread topic. I think you need to relax.

[Nirokun]

And as a trans person, you're still not immune to being intolerant of others.

It's a disorder if it disrupts your life. Problem is, you have other people artificially giving trans people a hard time, and then when they react to it (because who wouldn't react to being mistreated?), those other people are like "see, you're disordered!" and that... doesn't really count.

If it was a disorder for you and you fully accept that fact, great. You do not get to decide that for everyone else.

Being trans disrupts your life, boom, now it's a disorder. There are extra steps, extra legwork that needs to physically transition. That's a huge disruption. If you don't do these steps, crippling GID / GD. Again, huge disruption.

A disorder is a disorder if it's a disorder. Not if you casually "decide" it's a disorder for yourself, that's not how things work.

[MoroMurasaki]

Being trans disrupts your life, boom, now it's a disorder. There are extra steps, extra legwork that needs to physically transition. That's a huge disruption. If you don't do these steps, crippling GID / GD. Again, huge disruption.

A disorder is a disorder if it's a disorder. Not if you casually "decide" it's a disorder for yourself, that's not how things work.

It's almost like they believe that dysphoria gets to identify itself as something? Like each person's dysphoria gets to decide whether it's a disorder on an individual basis or something... which, ironically, is kind of transphobic/problematic (god I hate that word but it fits here) because it implies there is choice involved with how someone feels their gender dysphoria which is a slippery slope towards backsliding into old, ineffective treatments for GID.

Also I just want to say for a 26 page thread on a potentially touchy subject I think people have been like startlingly accepting of actual (to borrow Nirokun's phrasing) "true blue" trans people. I was kind of worried we would get some psychos in here trying to disrespect actual trans people and for the most part that really hasn't been a thing.

Almost like gamers aren't intolerant neckbeards like some people wanted to imply...

Except it doesn't mean that for every trans person. For some, the only "problem" they have as a result of being trans is all the "normal" people insisting they have a problem.

If you are trying to lump the nonbinary people in with actual trans people who transition you're being really disrespectful to people who are actually trans. Transition is an amazingly difficult process that is expensive, dangerous and mentally taxing. It is not deciding to put on a dress one day or pants another or cut your hair short. Those people are not trans.

[Niwashi]

There are extra steps, extra legwork that needs to physically transition. That's a huge disruption. If you don't do these steps, crippling GID / GD. Again, huge disruption.

Can I try to veer this conversation a bit more towards the original topic by pointing out that, in a world like Eorzea, where physical transition is as easy as drinking a potion before you go to bed, it would be far less of a disruption and far less of an issue than it is IRL. In a world where Fantasia exists, and people can be whatever gender they want to be, nobody's going to be stuck in the "wrong" type of body, so it would be safe to assume everyone's body-type gender is their correct one.

Which leaves the only people the request applies to being those who don't (or rather whose characters' don't) have an emotional/mental gender at all, and see themselves as truly genderless. It's a different issue, and I believe a far less common one, than being trans.

[Wyssahtyn]

Can I try to veer this conversation a bit more towards the original topic by pointing out that, in a world like Eorzea, where physical transition is as easy as drinking a potion before you go to bed, it would be far less of a disruption and far less of an issue than it is IRL. In a world where Fantasia exists, and people can be whatever gender they want to be, nobody's going to be stuck in the "wrong" type of body, so it would be safe to assume everyone's body-type gender is their correct one.

Which leaves the only people the request applies to being those who don't (or rather whose characters' don't) have an emotional/mental gender at all, and see themselves as truly genderless. It's a different issue, and I believe a far less common one, than being trans.

Fantasia is not an actual item in lore. It has flavor text because everything requires flavor text. See: http://nunhofthat.tumblr.com/post/12...ck-im-in-japan Specifically:

1. Would a regular average joe in Eorzea be able to get their hands on a Fantasia potion, it does not appear to be widespread as it is. And if so, is there a reason why it does not appear to be used by people in power/ people with evil agendas?

A: While the Fantasia potion has some in-world flavor text, it’s mainly meant to be seen as a meta object. For example, you wouldn’t see it’s use, or reference to its use in storylines since in effect it doesn’t actually exist (… So far. You never know if something might change :P)

[YukinoAmidala]

If it was a disorder for you and you fully accept that fact, great. You do not get to decide that for everyone else.

You are in complete denial if you honestly believe that having a mental disorder is a optional/voluntary thing. No one is trying to insult anyone by stating that it is a mental disorder, they are just stating that it is.

Also for the record it is ok to have a mental disorder, you need to relax.