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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    Yeah, and all of that is ridiculous. Forks and spoons are just inanimate silverware; they don't have a gender.
    Did you just call his language ridiculous?...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    Any dictionary or encyclopedia or whatever nowadays that equates sex and gender is wrong.
    "Could it be me that's wrong? No, no it's everyone else who is wrong."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    "Could it be me that's wrong? No, no it's everyone else who is wrong."
    Language is an ever evolving thing, so dictionaries are temporary by their very definition. It's also why you see hardcopy dictionaries and encyclopedias keep getting new releases instead of just the old ones being reprinted - those things change and evolve.

    And as someone whose native tongue is gendered to an extreme, yes, that sort of thing is ridiculous. Especially since languages tend to break their own rules more often than not when dealing with gendered words. "Oh if it ends in this string of letters, it's female, other than this collection of words, that are male". To this day I remember a test I took where I got one of those nonsense questions wrong but even the teacher missed it and I got full marks.

    The only good thing that comes out of it is watching the mortified looks on people's faces when I use the 'wrong' gendered words for myself. Some people are so fragile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyKaplan View Post
    Language is an ever evolving thing, so dictionaries are temporary by their very definition.
    You know the problem with this logic here?!

    What I said is that you can use "gender" in any case you can use "sex", but it is not correct the other way around.

    Let's now consider who agrees with it, alright?

    Dictionaries/encyclopedias.
    Scientists.
    Biologists.
    Journalists.
    Linguists.
    Writers.
    Game developers.
    Doctors.
    In general, entertainment industry.
    Politicians.
    General public.
    Some of the minorities.

    Who does NOT agree with it?!
    Small part of some of the minorities.
    Some supporters of the certain minorities.


    Now then, do you see the problem?! The language is ever-evolving, yes. However, the list is vastly larger for the supporters of what I said against the ones contesting it.

    I'm not saying that what that person is saying won't be correct in a decade, two, five. I'm saying that it is NOT CORRECT NOW. It is not. This word did NOT yet evolve into what that poster is claiming to be correct. It may be in the process of doing that (as I acknowledged, and dictionaries did as well), but that process is not yet at a stage where what I said stopped being correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    Did you just call his language ridiculous?...
    It’s funny how witnessing people denying other peoples very identity and way of life isn’t anything to raise your eyebrows to, but someone criticising the noises and words we utter from our mouths and scribble on paper is. Huh. How logical.
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    That's a very poor attitude to have about something completely harmless.
    Except, if you've been keeping up, you'd know it isn't exactly harmless.

    Did you just call his language ridiculous?...
    The gendering of forks and spoons? Yeah, it is ridiculous. Prove me wrong.

    "Could it be me that's wrong? No, no it's everyone else who is wrong."
    Ahh, good, you're getting the hang of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    Except, if you've been keeping up, you'd know it isn't exactly harmless.


    The gendering of forks and spoons? Yeah, it is ridiculous. Prove me wrong.


    Ahh, good, you're getting the hang of things.
    You seem very combative and are eager to disrespect and brush off others without any sort of constructive response. You understand that's why no one sees anything from your point of view right?
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    I'd rather them not divert valuable resources to something that will affect a very small portion of the playerbase when there are glaring issues with the game that need fixing or adjusting and would affect a much larger group. I mean come on...pronouns..?
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    Hardcore raiding content is what keeps this game alive for players at level cap. Just think about what would happen without all those hc raiders that create guides for other players and stream on twitch/youtube. The game would instantly die.
    rofl

    You seem very combative and are eager to disrespect and brush off others without any sort of constructive response. You understand that's why no one sees anything from your point of view right?
    First of all, I don't think I'm being any more "combative" or "disrespectful" than many, many others in this thread have been. Second of all, I'm not here to gain anyone's approval.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    First of all, I don't think I'm being any more "combative" or "disrespectful" than many, many others in this thread have been. Second of all, I'm not here to gain anyone's approval.
    Right, you're just trying to change society by calling people uncultured and uncivilized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    rofl
    It really looks like you have a very shallow understanding of this game. You do realize that without raiding, crafting and gathering would be totally pointless, right?
    Again, you do you remember what happened in 3.1, right? The raiding scene almost died, and the crafting and gathering scene died with it. Did you ever wonder why they decided to introduce the savage and, later, the ultimate difficulty?

    Come on, it's not so hard.

    But the point remains. Savage and ultimate content are the sole reason why a good chunk of the player base keep playing after reaching lvl 70. Pronoun choice is not.
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