Let us Dye Normal Raid gear

[Vidu]

And I'm saying that the devs can find different, perhaps better rewards for Savage players. Just locking the dye option on the normal gear is the laziest way to develop the reward system. I think it's a bit far fetched to say it's entitlement to want to dye our gear, it's such a basic mechanic that's found everywhere in the game.

The story is in NM now.
Minions drop in NM now.
Songs drop in NM.
You can get the general gear (design) from NM.

...there really isnt that much left for Savage - I went over this already, but the rewards are by now limited to:
- getting a higher ilvl a few months ahead, only to have it invalidated with the next patch anyways
- dyeable gear
- a mount (only for clearing the last one though)
- achievments (again: only for the last one; no title or anything given)

Out of all of that, I'd say dyeable gear is probably the best reward - which is most likely why you want it...

Please, tell me, what other possible rewards that are actually worth it - what "better rewards" - could they put in?
Housing items? Sure, I wouldnt mind them - but not everyone has a house and people would be rightfully salty to get something as reward that they cant even use.
How about special glamour-sets locked behind Savage-books? Completly alternative sets (dyeable ofc) that you would have no access to at all without doing savage.

What actual, non-game-breaking rewards could be given out in Savage instead of dyeable gear - something thats actually being desired. Yes, even by raiders.

[Edax]

The story is in NM now.
Minions drop in NM now.
Songs drop in NM.
You can get the general gear (design) from NM.

...there really isnt that much left for Savage - I went over this already, but the rewards are by now limited to:
- getting a higher ilvl a few months ahead, only to have it invalidated with the next patch anyways
- dyeable gear
- a mount (only for clearing the last one though)
- achievments (again: only for the last one; no title or anything given)

Out of all of that, I'd say dyeable gear is probably the best reward - which is most likely why you want it...

Please, tell me, what other possible rewards that are actually worth it - what "better rewards" - could they put in?
Housing items? Sure, I wouldnt mind them - but not everyone has a house and people would be rightfully salty to get something as reward that they cant even use.
How about special glamour-sets locked behind Savage-books? Completly alternative sets (dyeable ofc) that you would have no access to at all without doing savage.

What actual, non-game-breaking rewards could be given out in Savage instead of dyeable gear - something thats actually being desired. Yes, even by raiders.

Housing items, unique mounts, raid gear that glows instead of dyes, unique weapons, really the sky's the limit.

[Bright-Flower]

Don't savage already get unique weapons anyway? I don't know of a way to get Omega weapons, dyable or not, without savage.

[Vaer]

Housing items, unique mounts, raid gear that glows instead of dyes, unique weapons, really the sky's the limit.

Let's be fair here, if they add more stuff like this to only savage and remove the dyeable stuff there will just be a new thread asking for it to drop in normal and we will be back to square one.

You think people won't want glowing armor or some other unique glamour that doesn't have a normal counterpart if they care about dyes in the first place? That's rather optimistic.

[YukinoAmidala]

Just because somebody always complains doesn't mean every complainer doesn't have a point. If we argue that no changes should ever be made because somebody will always complain, then this game can't be updated with more content ever again.

Who is arguing that no changes should ever be made again? My only argument is that I believe that the dyeable raid sets dropping only from savage is fair and should remain the way it is.

[Vidu]

Housing items, unique mounts, raid gear that glows instead of dyes, unique weapons, really the sky's the limit.

I adressed housing items as being only a semi-good idea.

Mounts are already a reward - it wouldnt be adding a new reward.

I'm not sure if you've seen the glowy gear in game... it doesnt look to good to be honest, but if they pull actually nice glowy gear off thats your first decent idea.

Weapons with a unique design are already a reward.

Bottomline: Two out of your four ideas are already rewards, so they cant be added instead of the dyeable gear. One isnt really exiting, because not everyone can use the housing feature (or is intrested in it - look at the current thread about the Halloween event and how upset people are that we'll get housing items and not glamour as reward - and you think housing items are a fine and good reward for clearing Savage when most people dont care for them?). The last one - glowy gear - is... considerable, but depending on how well its executed. At that point I much rather take a set thats unique to Savage.

[Melichoir]

Let's be fair here, if they add more stuff like this to only savage and remove the dyeable stuff there will just be a new thread asking for it to drop in normal and we will be back to square one.

You think people won't want glowing armor or some other unique glamour that doesn't have a normal counterpart if they care about dyes in the first place? That's rather optimistic.

Pretty much this. Its more or less what I was stating earlier. If you make the NM give Dyeable, and give cooler armor to Savage, eventually the request would be to make the Savage one available to NM. Particularly if the core of the point being argued for making Dyeable on NM is for glamour purposes.

[Edax]

Let's be fair here, if they add more stuff like this to only savage and remove the dyeable stuff there will just be a new thread asking for it to drop in normal and we will be back to square one.

You think people won't want glowing armor or some other unique glamour that doesn't have a normal counterpart if they care about dyes in the first place? That's rather optimistic.

Of course they're going to want it and complain they can't have it.

Just because somebody always complains doesn't mean every complainer doesn't have a point. If we argue that no changes should ever be made because somebody will always complain, then this game can't be updated with more content ever again.

Pretty much this. Its more or less what I was stating earlier. If you make the NM give Dyeable, and give cooler armor to Savage, eventually the request would be to make the Savage one available to NM.

So what? Do you think we live in a world where every request is granted? Is that what your afraid of, that Savage will have exactly the same rewards as normal because somebody requested it?

[Bright-Flower]

Slight caveat to housing items.

Yes not everyone can own a house. But if you factor in FC private rooms and apartments, housing items as rewards become a lot less exclusive assuming they're indoor housing items.

[Tsumdere]

LOL, you really felt you needed to explain that to me?

/sarcasm I don't do Savage because I don't like Savage...there must be a connection here! Some clue as to why I don't have all the Savage rewards!

No, you don't have your dyable gear because of your attitude. I literally started raiding because I wanted the dyable gear. It's the only reason I raid. If hundred of other raiders do it for the glamour, so can you. Doubly so because things are eventually able to be unsynced.

You think just because you don't like a piece of content, you should get the rewards elsewhere. If they started applying this mentality to the game, everything in the game would be given to you upon logging in.

I am not sure what games you have played, but exclusive gear/outfits (dyable and such) have always been rewards for harder content. Almost... in every kind of genre I have played. It encourages people to do something new and put themselves to the test.

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I agree with this 100%. You said this better than I ever could.