Let us Dye Normal Raid gear

[CorbinDallas]

I mean, people did make a thread demanding an easier UwU because they thought it looked cool. Sadly, some people want everything for nothing.

I'd love to have a shot at UwU, it looks like amazing fun, but I've accepted that I'm frankly not at the level to do it yet, and that's ok. It isn't going anywhere.

[Vidu]

I mean, people did make a thread demanding an easier UwU because they thought it looked cool. Sadly, some people want everything for nothing.

...I think we also had threads demanding that the second phases of the Exdeath and Kefka fight that are exclusive to Savage should be included into NM... not even about 10 minutes of fight can be exclusive and new to Savage...

[Bright-Flower]

...I think we also had threads demanding that the second phases of the Exdeath and Kefka fight that are exclusive to Savage should be included into NM... not even about 10 minutes of fight can be exclusive and new to Savage...

Yeah. I hope this trend continues into 5.0. While I'm glad story mode exists I'm all for savage raiders getting a bit extra for their efforts like this.

[Lorgana]

Oh look another one of these " Its not fair that I have to do raid content to get raid things". Get outta here commie

[Bright-Flower]

Don't savage already get unique weapons anyway? I don't know of a way to get Omega weapons, dyable or not, without savage.

[Bright-Flower]

Slight caveat to housing items.

Yes not everyone can own a house. But if you factor in FC private rooms and apartments, housing items as rewards become a lot less exclusive assuming they're indoor housing items.

[Tsumdere]

LOL, you really felt you needed to explain that to me?

/sarcasm I don't do Savage because I don't like Savage...there must be a connection here! Some clue as to why I don't have all the Savage rewards!

No, you don't have your dyable gear because of your attitude. I literally started raiding because I wanted the dyable gear. It's the only reason I raid. If hundred of other raiders do it for the glamour, so can you. Doubly so because things are eventually able to be unsynced.

You think just because you don't like a piece of content, you should get the rewards elsewhere. If they started applying this mentality to the game, everything in the game would be given to you upon logging in.

I am not sure what games you have played, but exclusive gear/outfits (dyable and such) have always been rewards for harder content. Almost... in every kind of genre I have played. It encourages people to do something new and put themselves to the test.

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I agree with this 100%. You said this better than I ever could.

[InkstainedGwyn]

Let's be real, most of these arguments distill down to "I really want this particular thing, so I shouldn't have to go out of my way to get it". There's no actual argument overall as to why these rewards should be shifted down, no pros/cons; it's literally "I will do whatever it takes (except the thing that's actually required) to get the item I want". If the coveted piece of glamour hadn't been available from savage, there wouldn't even be a conversation going about whether or not it's fair. The complaint isn't that dyeable gear drops from savage, it's that people don't want to have to put in extra work to get something they happen to want. If the coveted gear had been a PVP reward, the complaints would have then shifted to "but I shouldn't have to do PVP to get glams I want, put it in a dungeon or on a vendor." And, "I want a thing, but I don't want to do the work to get it" is a terrible reason to change reward structures.

This game is already one of the most egalitarian MMOs out there (which I love). You want your kirin, your firebird? You can get them without even having to have the skills to clear current content. You want savage Alexander gear? Go in with a handful of FC mates on a whim. Folks will be able to get the things they're arguing about now insanely easily in a couple of months; if they don't want to wait, they can learn the content now. My friend and I started learning current primal EXs because we loved the wolves, and didn't want to wait for 5.0 to get them, even though we don't usually do high-end content. While I'm 100% for all of the content being made accessible after the fact as it currently is (i.e. through unsyncing and overgearing) and I hate the arguments that "I want my ponies to always be a status symbol" even though they're 3 years out-of-date, a game with absolutely no "high-end" rewards for its difficult content is a terrible idea. And the argument that "oh, they can just make something else the reward instead" is... nonsensical. There's absolutely no inherent difference between giving dyeable gear versus glowy gear versus mounts versus minions versus whatever else comes up; the only difference is that someone has decided that they want the one thing, but not the others.

And that's just self-centred and small-minded.

[Vahlnir]

Imo, people shouldn't be rewarded for content they haven't done. I say this as someone who doesn't raid savage or ultimate. If people are patient they'll be able to come back and get what they want in the next expansion at the earliest.

[Bright-Flower]

It's a staple of the game at this point.

Want dyable tome gear? Run the alliance raids when they come out. (Or do Savage I think?)
Want dyable AF 3? Get your butt into Anemos.
Want dyable raid gear, run savage.