Things to think about before you call someone "Bad"

[Theodric]

In my experience the most 'toxic' players tend to be those that believe that they can do whatever they like and never receive any criticism as a consequence of their actions.

It sums up a troubling number of players on my own server...though I doubt it is terribly different elsewhere.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I'm often asking myself the question "If everyone played at the level of this person - would the dungeon be cleared (in time)?"

I can answer this question. Last week, I got SMA in Expert. We did your standard greeting, then the DRK charged on ahead, pulling until he couldn't any longer. I kept him alive with literally only Regen and Divine Benison; his CD usgae was sublime. Meanwhile, the DPS were pulling 6,000 apiece, if not higher depending who got their abilities off first. We blitzed the entire dungeon down in roughly 10 minutes or thereabouts. Fastest I have probably completed a dungeon is a 7-8 minute Xelphatol back in Heavensward. It's amazing how quickly things fall over when people know what they're doing. Meanwhile, I have spent over 15 minutes in Guardian Normal—which is five minutes longer than his Savage enrage. Now we should expect that level of play with any regularity, but if people put in even half as much effort, we'd all benefit.

[CorbinDallas]

I saw a Reddit post recently where somebody scienced out "ice mage" rotations and managed to pull something like 4.6k, which is more than the average player. Food for thought.

Stop making excuses for bad play. My static ran Ridorana as classes, and all of our DPS as well as the MRD were in the top 10, performing better than people with access to much stronger abilities. Don't get me wrong, the game is absolutely awful at teaching you how to play it at 70, but to be outperformed by people deliberately playing suboptimally is frankly embarrassing.

[Nestama]

Meanwhile, I have spent over 15 minutes in Guardian Normal—which is five minutes longer than his Savage enrage. Now we should expect that level of play with any regularity, but if people put in even half as much effort, we'd all benefit.

I've heard horror stories of people spending up to 20 minutes fighting Construct 7 (or any of the bosses) in Ridorana Lighthouse...

[Alrin]

I've heard horror stories of people spending up to 20 minutes fighting Construct 7 (or any of the bosses) in Ridorana Lighthouse...

I was in one last week as a healer. It felt like eternity and I was thinking what the hell is going on. People didnt even had a will to be toxic in the chat.

First loud warning bell ringed when there were a lot of people missing math mechanic. Cmon 12 is not number that is dividable by 5. Nor is 7 or 8... Some people were standing in pulverize... Not stacking up during accelerate ... Running into path of Construct during compress...

I dont even know how we vere able to finish it. I hope that it will never happen again because Ridorana is my favourite Alliance raid

[MoroMurasaki]

I've heard horror stories of people spending up to 20 minutes fighting Construct 7 (or any of the bosses) in Ridorana Lighthouse...

I remember a Construct 7 that I ran with a WHM friend of mine. I wound up not having an enmity CD up for the aggro reset after the add phase because I had to use Diversion during our add phase and I'd used Lucid not long before because I had to help raise and mana shift the healers. The short version is me dying horribly to the tankbuster as a RDM and losing my sweet damage up stacks.

After the next set if math happened and I at least had 2 damage up buffs again I got the stack marker and... virtually no one stacked with me. Dead again, lost the damage up buffs that I had just gained.

We already knew the fight was going rather slowly. My friend had a parser but no overlay. Plenty of deaths and awfulness later we cleared and he checked his parser.

On RDM (before 4.4 buffs) and using the Tsukuyomi Rapier I was still the top dps in the fight by more than 1k dps. Basically no damage up buffs, on what was at the time the lowest potential dps job and far from BiS.

The moral of the story is bads gonna bad and any fight that doesn't have a hard enrage will fall down if you throw enough pixel bodies at it.

[Hamada]

The original shows one player making moves that are incoherent within the framework of tic-tac-toe, such as drawing a single square in four spaces. Video games, by their very nature, are too rigid to allow a similarly incoherent move to be made. The best you could do is not participate or try to deliberately wipe your group, and it's incredibly unlikely you'll find any substantial number of people who would disagree with a kick in such a situation. However, the appropriateness of the response of the player who originally suggested tic-tac-toe is contingent on the degree of deviation by the other player's actions, which cannot be matched in FFXIV. Instead, what people are complaining about is a combination of 1) failure to carry out intended action or 2) suboptimal intended action. Instances of #2, even when still adequate to clear the content, are generally not exempted from this complaining. This makes it clear that it really is about optimization and a failure to adhere to whatever arbitrary standard the complaining player tries to impose as they try to play the duty police, as it seems that many players think the only reason anyone should play this game is to make an active effort to not just be good enough for the content they're interested in, but to be as good as possible, and they consider any other motivations or ambitions for the game to be invalid.

No, look people are posting the original because of (but not limited to):
1. Standing around doing nothing, as in not hitting any actions
2. Doing glaring incorrect actions, like never using heavy shot, hot shot, heavy thrust, dots, not using AoE when there is 4 + monsters, like how my girlfriend will comment on RDM not using scatter in large groups, making the run going slow.
3. other things that cause runs take 50%+ longer they need to.

You make it sound like people chew out others for casting stone just as aero falls off leaving the monster not have a dot on for a second. What you are implying does not happen. I get a feeling you are posting like you are from being told what to do in exact orders or something like it is common, it really isn't. I do not think you should be using a single experience with someone and come off here acting like it is the norm.

1. Are they a new player?

2. Did they recently change their UI/Binds or both?

3. Are they having a bad day or are they feeling sick?

Could be any of these things or more preventing someone from performing well. and to be fair most of the time I find it is.

I do not call people bad, my GF does not call people bad. What does happen is advice is given, and when followed, the run tends to be smooth from there and we move on. When they snap back with stuff like "you do not pay for my sub" they get kicked and we move on.

[Ilan]

Just wondering, where are you getting this 80% number from? I don’t really do savage or ex fights but I normally clear everything I’ve run outside of some recent Burn runs where people are dying due to aoe damage, but normally things are fine and runs I get clear in pretty decent times, if 80% of players are bad shouldn’t I be clearing stuff more infrequently?

It is obviously a guess based on what myself and others i know experience day by day in dungeons and we can't all just be unlucky all the time.

[Sigma-Astra]

I'm so glad I'm at home reading this cuz this made laugh so damn hard.

Yup, totally going to immortalize that quote.

[SerLuke]

It is obviously a guess based on what myself and others i know experience day by day in dungeons and we can't all just be unlucky all the time.

Hmm I do ususaly go with a friend or two so maybe that’s it