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  1. #11
    Player
    Caselia's Avatar
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    Milk Maid
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    Midgardsormr
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Vidu View Post
    You can no longer skip cutscenes because new players were rushed through them, left out of fights alltogether and found themself alone in certain parts of the dungeon with all bosses cleared and the group already on their way out.

    There were countless complains from people who wanted to enjoy the final dungeon of the game, but couldnt because its poorly designed and people arent willing to wait for the new person, even if they get compensated with bonus tomes.
    This is what happened. Minority of vocal players bitching on forums about speed running dungeons to get their tomes and others disparaging players for watching cutscenes so they decided to make everyone suffer. They also prevented speed running dungeons by creating the locks preventing advancements without clearing mobs. Which was also due to vocal complaints on forums over speed runners wanting to rush dungeons to tome cap during ARR.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yshnal View Post
    You are not forced to do MSQ roulettes. There's other more efficient ways to get the same rewards, and it was that way even when we could skip cutscenes in there. So, why complain? Just do something else. That roulette is there to help and to relax while doing almost nothing, and some people enjoy running them that way.

    I mean, if you're complaining about this it's obvious that you don't care about the dungeons themselves, so you don't need to go there. It's nice to have options, right?
    The option to skip cutscenes would be nice.
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  2. #12
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    Berethos's Avatar
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    Celie Lothaire
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    Maduin
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jijifli View Post
    The point of the roulette is to get people into the dungeon. kinda beats the point to make a change to it that made some players not want to go in there.
    Which is why they looked to offset the thing that made some players not want to go in there by adding the XP/tomestone incentive. For some that still isn't enough, for others it's actually enough to get them to run it more often (I legitimately run the MSQ roulette more now than I did before the change - it's a pretty low key run with some good music and a decent reward at the end, especially for my non-70 classes).

    Quote Originally Posted by Caselia View Post
    to make everyone suffer.
    Awww, that optional roulette you don't have to enter must cause so much pain.



    And the option still exists in all the other duties you can run. You want to skip them in the two from the MSQ roulette? You lose the high xp and increased tomestone reward. Willing to make that trade?
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    Last edited by Berethos; 10-10-2018 at 07:24 AM.

  3. #13
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    Odintius Baelsar
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 80
    They should add grand company squadrons as an option to solo it imo they could make it allot earlier to unlock say after defeating ifrit. I mean the grand companys are courting you at that time anyways. /Shrugs
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    Last edited by odintius; 10-16-2018 at 01:18 AM.

  4. #14
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    Vidu Moriquendi
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    Odin
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Caselia View Post
    This is what happened. Minority of vocal players bitching on forums about speed running dungeons to get their tomes and others disparaging players for watching cutscenes so they decided to make everyone suffer. They also prevented speed running dungeons by creating the locks preventing advancements without clearing mobs. Which was also due to vocal complaints on forums over speed runners wanting to rush dungeons to tome cap during ARR.
    Except this wasnt/isnt about your normal speed running of a dungeon (which is still very possible btw - doors are annyoing, I agree, but most dungeons let you pull 2-3 packs, so you're at the boss in 2 pulls), its about the last two dungeons of the ARR-story, the grand final.
    Putting the cutscenes in the dungeon was a mistake and thankfully they never did that again. And they should have probably just turned the dungeons into solo-instances. But a new player who get rushed through cutscenes or forced to skip or just ends up missing every bossfight of their final dungeon, has every right to be upset and complain.

    If watching those cutscenes and helping newbies get through the dungeons is making you "suffer", then stay out of those dungeons/roulettes. You get compensated for your time with the tome-bonus. Thats your payment to help a new person finish their story in a some what enjoyable way.
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  5. #15
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    Mizunoko's Avatar
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    Fox Deity
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    Brynhildr
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Vidu View Post

    There were countless complains from people who wanted to enjoy the final dungeon of the game, but couldnt because its poorly designed and people arent willing to wait for the new person, even if they get compensated with bonus tomes.
    And now there are countless of people who complain about not being able to skip the scenes, that in itself renders your point invalid. I agree with you that it's poorly designed in the first place however. The fault here lies with SE for creating such a terrible instance full of too many scenes in the first place. It should have been a solo duty.....common sense really.
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    Last edited by Mizunoko; 10-10-2018 at 10:21 AM.

  6. #16
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    Emerald_Swords's Avatar
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    Jay Ichijou
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    Coeurl
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    Dark Knight Lv 74
    I don't mind it. The cut scenes are still fun to watch.
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  7. #17
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    Melondra's Avatar
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    Melondra Lorena
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    Excalibur
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    sorry this system was put into place due to bad player behaver now suffer the consequences.
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  8. #18
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    Vahlnir's Avatar
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    Elan Centauri
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    Diabolos
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Ultimately SE designed the place, but sadly this was a problem the player base inflicted upon itself. It's understandable that people wanted their tomes in a reasonable time frame. But an extra couple of minutes out of both dungeons wouldn't have hurt anyone if people would have waited for others who were new to those instances. But nope, the 'GOTTA GO FAST" mentality was, and still is, too prevalent. You reap what you sow.
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  9. #19
    Player OurMom's Avatar
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    Bean Bunja
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    Gilgamesh
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Mizunoko View Post
    The fault here lies with SE
    I think the fault lies with the playerbase. After awhile it would only ever be a 1-3 new people in those runs anyway those 1-3 people expecting the rest of the party to wait on them is the problem. Idk I'm just not that full of myself where if I want to watch something I want everyone to stop and wait on me for a 10 second boss fight.

    I'm in the camp of simply not queueing for it, when the wait time gets so long, maybe they'll make those two dungeons optional or do something different.
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  10. #20
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    Nera Mistdancer
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    Omega
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    Yeah, I skip this roulette. However on occasion these dungeons still show up in mentor roulette, and if that happens I just leave. It isn't worth my time.

    And there isn't any other sort of alternative for getting the mentor roulette's rewards.
    If you're doing them as Mentor, or doing the Mentor roulette (and thus agreeing to get ANY duty, even those that you hate), then I assume that you want to help other players. In the case of the MSQ dungeons specifically it would include to be nice and wait, which in turn would basically make it pointless to skip any cutscenes.

    If that's not the case, as I can seem to notice from your post, I would like you to read again the Mentor description and warnings in one of the Smiths. You're free to use your Mentor status as you wish, but you have no right to complain if you aren't using it as intended. In fact, other people could actually complain about your attitude.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caselia View Post
    The option to skip cutscenes would be nice.
    You have it available. In other duties. There's no rewards exclusive to CM or Prae.

    Instead of complaining just don't run them. If your presence is really needed there, that will give SE the message and they'll make further changes or do whatever with these duties (like maybe fixing them for good, making them solo duties, and finally getting rid of all the drama).
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