A little scared of the future

[van_arn]

Stop being bad or quit.

If you don't want to improve, you've already quit.

[Sylvina]

Stop being bad or quit.

If you don't want to improve, you've already quit.

How toxic. You have zero right to tell people to quit regardless of their level of skill. If someone does NOT want to improve (WHY THOUGH!!) that's really on them and it's not your job to be a jerk about it.

[TaiyoShikasu]

How toxic. You have zero right to tell people to quit regardless of their level of skill. If someone does NOT want to improve (WHY THOUGH!!) that's really on them and it's not your job to be a jerk about it.

He's not wrong though. Pity the party of anyone who is not only bad, but makes no effort to get not bad.

Nearly 1800 page thread about DF and reading through them and how bad people are, you wonder how they can be so bad and somehow find joy in this game when they are a burden on every party they encounter.

[Sylvina]

He's not wrong though. Pity the party of anyone who is not only bad, but makes no effort to get not bad.

Nearly 1800 page thread about DF and reading through them and how bad people are, you wonder how they can be so bad and somehow find joy in this game when they are a burden on every party they encounter.

Doesn't give anyone the right to tell other people they can't play a game they enjoy.

[Lauront]

Doesn't give anyone the right to tell other people they can't play a game they enjoy.

They can do so at someone else's expense. Not mine.

[Kresus]

They can do so at someone else's expense. Not mine.

The "You don't pay my sub" arguement works both ways tbh.

"Neither do you pay mine, so why should I have to deal with your ****?"

[Ilan]

The "You don't pay my sub" arguement works both ways tbh.

"Neither do you pay mine, so why should I have to deal with your ****?"

Wish i could like this post a thousand times.

Its funny how people always come up with "you don't pay my sub" when someone is calling them out for beeing lazy. Seems they don't understand that they are not the only ones who pay to play the game.

[Sylvina]

They can do so at someone else's expense. Not mine.

Then don't pug. and don't queue with such people. You'll NEVER have the right to insist they dont play. ever.

[Dirwen]

Then don't pug. and don't queue with such people. You'll NEVER have the right to insist they dont play. ever.

I have to agree with this if you hate randoms so much why even pug? If they put themselves out there then they are the only ones to blame if they meet others not on their own skill level.

[Lauront]

Then don't pug. and don't queue with such people. You'll NEVER have the right to insist they dont play. ever.

I'm afraid your stance on this is silly, for two reasons: 1) PF allows one to set certain expectations, so you should meet those and 2) for content organised through matchmaking, there is an assumption that the goal is to complete the duty in a reasonable amount of time. Most players share this goal, because this sort of content is there to level or gear, and will therefore remove players who pose an obstacle and don't want to improve.

1) also applies to savage content, but there's no real debate on that - none that anyone would take seriously.

2) is the reason why the votekick function exists - and I will advocate kicking anyone holding back the group and not listening to feedback, including people who e.g. run around HoH to collect chests and waste everyone else's collective time. I always offer feedback to players where they can improve, I rarely just resort to kicking unless someone is insufferable.

I don't care if they shovel money in SE's direction, but they won't be wasting my time.

Matchmade content isn't an excuse to be an idiot and still forms part of the game, and a considerable one given its role in gearing and leveling. By not improving/listening to feedback you are, essentially, wasting other people's scarce time. Pretty toxic, if you ask me.

They can play the game, like I said, just not with me.