A little scared of the future

[Ceridwenae]

Hi, OP! I've only done The Burn one time, and in itself, Misty is harder than the other bosses in the dungeon for sure. But in context, when more people are used to it (and I imagine a lot of people are by now), and outgear it, it'll just become another dungeon that pops up every now and again. Pair it with Saint Mocianne's Hard Mode and run the lvl 70 Expert roulette, and you will get used to it, and what was a hard thing will no longer be so. I'll certainly be back at that roulette this evening, Chaos dependant, because this is fully how I want to tackle lessening The Burn (St. Mo's HM was relaxing in comparison, but I have no idea why!). I don't have the lengthy gameplay experience of a lot of other posters here, but this seems the best way to tackle the place.

I don't mind saying, it usually takes me at least 3 passes at a dungeon/boss to fully understand everything that's going on - for example, I only picked up Swallow's Compass recently, and whilst most of it's fairly sensible and not too hard, that second boss? My brain has a hard time translating his arm movements for sure! I end up sticking to someone I hope is less borked in the brain than I am for that and the third time I ran it recently, I only got hit once by a stupid arm thing, and didn't die or make too much of a mess the rest of the fight! It might seem nooblike to others (and truly is), but I'm happy with my progress! Next time, I really have to make an effort not to get hit with his stupid arms at all. I have to say, I have been That Bard In Narnia (surely this has to be trademarked for future reference?), so that's something else I need to be mindful of and work on! I never want to stress healers if I can help it.

Anyway, that's all it is: keeping your gear up to date, practising, taking advice and just getting stuck in. Also, I find running all this stuff with someone you know makes it better, too (if you're not already doing that). Everything new will always seem hard(er), but just keep at it, and at some point, you won't even be thinking about how difficult it seemed.

And I agree: Misty is like Isgebind. I used to be terrified of Isgebind, you know. I was also terrified of just going in any dungeon. Sometimes, you just have to face up to those scary things head-on, and after a while, they're really not all that scary any more.

[Ash_]

I stopped reading when I read something about bards not in healing range. Nothing unusual here from any other content.

[LaylaTsarra]

Well. I did do it. And we did not wipe. But i was harshly surprised by the AoE output of that boss. Its not the mechanics thats the trick. But those AoE bursts. Try healing that when everyone is all over the field. You are usually chanceless to keep all alive.

I see you're a white mage so let me tell you what i do. I will hit Presence of Mind, Largesse and Thin Air as soon as the boss begins his series of back to back AOE Bursts and spam Medica II. It works pretty well for me. I don't know what Scholar's or AST's do for these bursts.

[Kusanagi7]

lets not forget the burn has awesome music

[Zephanoa]

Will I admit that the DPS check on the Mist Dragon is tighter than usual? Yes.

Is it as huge of a difficulty spike as you're getting at? No.

Casual players need to stop relying on dungeons where they can lay dead on the floor for the entire fight so long as 2-3 people know what they're doing.

Relax. It's not that bad.

This is pretty much right on the nose. It's not hard, but it can come off hard. DPS checks in dungeons can be attributed to also gear preparation or personal skill level or skill to gear ratio. If something is hard then it should be looked at as an opportunity to improve.

[Blokeymon]

Let's get weighed in on this.

The only "current" EX stuff I ever did was back in 2.x, when I did the first three EX primals normally.

Every other EX fight has been unsynced, because I'm just not that good.

I've also never touched any Savage for the same reason.

On day two of 4.4 I cleared The Burn, as a just-over-minimum-ilvl WHM with zero wipes.

How?

Because I can use more than just Cure, Medica II, and Stone IV.

The fight has only one mechanic that we haven't seen before (the one that drops a star that fires line AoEs out), but it's incredibly easy to avoid.

Tankbusters are rendered almost pointless with a Divine Benison > Teyragrammaton on the tank.

The ice puddles are inconsequential when dropped next to the dragon at the arena edge.

Everything else is just making sure Frostbite is Esuna'd immediately, Medica II is up as much as you can, and don't be afraid to use Plenary Indulgence when it's up for some free and somewhat powerful AoE heals.

The Burn isn't hard at all.

It just makes the assumption that, at level 70, the player knows their job.

And at this stage in the game, if you don't, then that's not the game's fault...

[Ifrinne]

While there has been some advise in here, theres a lot of useless too sadly. Disregarding them (you know who you are) there has been some genuine advise for which i thank you. Ive reanalyzed that specific fight yesterday and it comes down to 2 things that made it hard and seem even harder.

1. The dragon used its AoE move 3 times in a row on several occasions where i used pretty much all AoE heal moves i had. Even with largesse boosting them (think Assize, Medica and Medica II... not in that order) to get all back to 80-100% HP quick. But...

2. I had the tank on the northern edge of the area, a dps at the southeastern edge and one at the southwestern edge of the circle thus i was chanceless of healing them all in time and i had to rely on single target spells at times.

If i might, on this specific dungeon request a change it is to decrease not the damage but how fast those field-wide AoE happens after eachother.

This does not take away that i think if this is the new trend and things start becoming significantly harder per patch that mid way 5.x (so not now, stop giving me scrap about present time, see my point please.) It might become too hard.

This is my last post on this subject.

[Blokeymon]

It's a shame you're giving up here, because your second point highlighted the very reason that you found this boss "hard".

Your party was bad.

Putting yourself into such a position where arena-wide AoEs can't be AoE healed is just poor practice, adding unnecessary pressure to the healer. No wonder it was a pain.

I absolutely guarantee that, if you were to run this with people who understood that AoE heals have a range on them, you would find it so much easier, and possibly see where a lot of the critique has come from.

Now, I've been here since PS3 beta, so maybe I'm "jaded" to difficulty levels of MSQ content, but one of my friends got into this just before SB landed (her first ever MMO and first ever FF), powered her way through the game from the start, and is now at current content, and the only things she's found hard are the few EX runs she tried.

Everything else, she facerolled.

Content isn't getting harder, I promise you.

People are just getting stale and complacent, so that when things get changed up, they simply assume it's the game and not them.

I hope you do get a good party in there soon, and see just how easy it is when you're not partnered with idiots.

[Stormfur]

I love The Burn! But I prefer to run it with FC mates simply because of its difficulty. Then again, I'm the kind of person who likes a reasonable challenge. When I first fought the mist dragon, I had a terrible party that kept getting caught in the ice, and I couldn't break them out fast enough. But that was day 1, hour 1 -- it was to be expected and anyone who thinks they can faceroll their keyboard through an expert dungeon at that point is delusional.

[Connor]

This does not take away that i think if this is the new trend and things start becoming significantly harder per patch that mid way 5.x (so not now, stop giving me scrap about present time, see my point please.) It might become too hard.

This is my last post on this subject.

FFXIV is predicated on easy and accessible content. You will never have to worry about general content becoming ‘too hard’.

I honestly enjoy the Mist Dragon fight, mostly because I get to heal much more than usual. I don’t want to make this seem like one of those ‘it’s easy to me so it’s easy to everyone’ posts; I understand that everyone has different strengths and weaknesses.

I also get that I play a Scholar for healing, and it’s hard to find something difficult when you’re on an explicitly overpowered job lol. So my experiences of the Mist Dragon not being too difficult may be more to do with job choice than the fight itself


Just be careful what you wish for...I don’t think the game would become any more enjoyable if it was easier.