How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

[HyoMinPark]

math, the damage formula is known and potency values are given hell. for this expansion your rotation was already figured out before you logged into stormblood for the first time parsers have nothing to do with it.

Fairly certain the rotations were hypothesized before launch, and then tested afterwards to see if the hypothetical opener/rotation was actually the best to do. Parsers had everything to do with that.

[Selova]

Fairly certain the rotations were hypothesized before launch, and then tested afterwards to see if the hypothetical opener/rotation was actually the best to do. Parsers had everything to do with that.

Honestly, I'd give up trying to reason with him. I'm still convinced he's just a dedicated troll spouting such hilarious gems such as:"Using myself as an example I'm a ps4 player and when i learn a fight i'm pretty much flawless when it comes to doing the mechanics" and "The point is that there is no point to parsing it means nothing unless you are speed running". He, as well as others have clearly displayed their lack of knowledge in understanding how parsers assist in coming up with optimal rotations. If they seriously want to believe that theory crafters just stare at the battle log and potency tool tips all day, more power to them. Trying to debate someone who lives and apparently "get's off" in their own bubble of ignorance is literally a waste of time.

[Vahlnir]

Honestly, I'd give up trying to reason with him. I'm still convinced he's just a dedicated troll spouting such hilarious gems such as:"Using myself as an example I'm a ps4 player and when i learn a fight i'm pretty much flawless when it comes to doing the mechanics" and "The point is that there is no point to parsing it means nothing unless you are speed running". He, as well as others have clearly displayed their lack of knowledge in understanding how parsers assist in coming up with optimal rotations. If they seriously want to believe that theory crafters just stare at the battle log and potency tool tips all day, more power to them. Trying to debate someone who lives and apparently "get's off" in their own bubble of ignorance is literally a waste of time.

I personally don't doubt its uses, and they are many. Most of them very helpful. I just don't think they should make an official parser that can be viewed group/raid wide is all. It's like giving a 5 year old the keys to a fighter jet for too many people. In a perfect world people would use them right and for the right reasons. This is not a perfect world.

[KaivaC]

I personally don't doubt its uses, and they are many. Most of them very helpful. I just don't think they should make an official parser that can be viewed group/raid wide is all. It's like giving a 5 year old the keys to a fighter jet for too many people. In a perfect world people would use them right and for the right reasons. This is not a perfect world.

Here's a crazy thought: taking the idea of the Duty Recorder, what if the devs implemented it in the High-End Raid Finder? Since PFs are the preferred spots for raiding/Ex anyways, what if the rarely used Raid Finder gave that option that you could click on to match with similar players using an official parse? That way it'll only be used in the content where it's most useful, and possibly breath a little bit of life into the mostly-not-used Raid Finder for at least a little while?

[Speaks]

Here's a crazy thought: taking the idea of the Duty Recorder, what if the devs implemented it in the High-End Raid Finder? Since PFs are the preferred spots for raiding/Ex anyways, what if the rarely used Raid Finder gave that option that you could click on to match with similar players using an official parse? That way it'll only be used in the content where it's most useful, and possibly breath a little bit of life into the mostly-not-used Raid Finder for at least a little while?

While I personally love the idea can you imagine the uproar of all the gray parses being stuck together only to continuously hit enrage at 60%+?

SE wants us to carry bads, but then they do not give us enough wiggle room on enrage to truly carry bads. Early in a tier it only takes two bads in an EX before you are basically just slamming your head against enrage.

[Liam_Harper]

I personally don't doubt its uses, and they are many. Most of them very helpful. I just don't think they should make an official parser that can be viewed group/raid wide is all. It's like giving a 5 year old the keys to a fighter jet for too many people. In a perfect world people would use them right and for the right reasons. This is not a perfect world.

Then why is ACT ok? The 5 year olds have been flying around in fighter jets for years and the game is in one piece.

[Vahlnir]

Then why is ACT ok? The 5 year olds have been flying around in fighter jets for years and the game is in one piece.

This isn't about ACT, this is about parsers. I don't necessarily approve of it either since it's technically against the ToS as well. Until we get actual addon support from SE itself that will be my stance on all things related to addons. If they decided that certain things were permitted officially like ACT or parsers, then it's not really my call. My opinion on them would essentially be irrelevant. However, a public parser would do more harm than good imo. I'd probably be "fine" with something like ACT though since I've used DBM in WoW for years. But WoW has addon support and actually develops some content around things like DBM.

[KaldeaSahaline]

This isn't about ACT, this is about parsers.

ACT is a parser....