This Needs to Be Said

[RiyahArp]

In theory you are correct, people shouldn't jump the gun before it's released but given how bad designed first 2 zones were and past experience with Diadem in 2 versions. I will bet Diadem v4 gonna be as bad like the rest been.

We have no idea how that step even works, or how hard it is. If it's a breather step and it's more like Anemos, it could be as simple as handing in a few tokens. Even pagos isn't that bad despite all the complaining. I'm just not going to worry about it based on little tidbits from things now. Only if we get there and it's as bad as Diadem or worse, then lets complain.

[Luna-M]

We have no idea how that step even works, or how hard it is. If it's a breather step and it's more like Anemos, it could be as simple as handing in a few tokens. Even pagos isn't that bad despite all the complaining. I'm just not going to worry about it based on little tidbits from things now. Only if we get there and it's as bad as Diadem or worse, then lets complain.

I'll bring the popcorn.

[Luna-M]

Maybe there are tons of definition what a casual might be. For me, casuals are players who may not be skilled enough for savage, but still skilled enough for at least a bit challenging (not hard) content. Who said that every casual player love to doing a boring and long grind? Especially those players, who dont have that much time.

The whole relic questline could a least more fun, if you mix a bit open world grind with a bit challenge in it. Not that much time consuming, no instanced areas, no long tedious grinds and especially no damn RNG.

Just a small idea for a alternative relic quest step:

You can buy a book with tomes (100 per book), but you only can have one per kind in your inventory.
Each book comes in 4 kinds: Blue, Green, Yellow and Red. Each book comes with 5 random objectives (depending on its color), but you only need to complete 3 of them.

• Blue books (the book of grind) can be completed by completing a specific amount of dungeons/raids/fates/pvp/whatever.
• Green books (the book of monsters) can be completed by finding specific open world monsters. Only hints are given you have to make a snapshot from them.
• Yellow books (the book of collection) can be completed by collecting and/or crafting specific items. You only need to have them in your inventory until you finished your book.
• Red books (the book of challenge) can be completed by defeating some extreme primals.

For a weapon, you have to complete 10 books, no matter which kind. Armor parts need to complete 5 books.

so ARR books more or less

[KaivaC]

Wait till it actually launches, please. The salt about Pagos wasn't as justified as people thought, and I'm not going to despair about pyros based on a translated line in an interview.

This is one of those 'agree to disagree' moments. I won't go into details about my disagreements over Eureka as a whole, because there are so many countless threads pointing out every single issue. I am not holding my breath, and given the reaction to Pyros, a lot of players are getting sick of this type of content. At some point, enough is enough. Sure, there are players who enjoy this content, I won't deny that. But there should've been alternative ways to get your relic. This shouldn't be the one and only way to do your relic - this shouldn't be so reliant on having players populating an instance, or even relying on the goodwill of other players to rez you or take you in their parties to help the leveling experience go faster if you come in as a low level <---- this should not be the only option.

Again, we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not here to debate my stance on it.

[Deceptus]

. Even pagos isn't that bad despite all the complaining.

You are in the minority with this opinion. Very few people like Pagos. Most just tolerate it. You dont see people making threats describing it's great features.

[Reynhart]

But there should've been alternative ways to get your relic.

The Eureka weapon is exclusive to Eureka as the Savage weapon is exclusive to Savage. You still have the tome weapon if you want a strong weapon that doesn't require you to do a specific content.

[Luna-M]

The Eureka weapon is exclusive to Eureka as the Savage weapon is exclusive to Savage. You still have the tome weapon if you want a strong weapon that doesn't require you to do a specific content.

In HW there was alternatives to build you relic. There is no reason you have to be forced into a poor design like Eureka. I build 3 weapons in Anemos. They will remain there. Pagos was cancer and I have no hopes for next zone.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Maybe there are tons of definition what a casual might be. For me, casuals are players who may not be skilled enough for savage, but still skilled enough for at least a bit challenging (not hard) content. Who said that every casual player love to doing a boring and long grind? Especially those players, who dont have that much time.

The problem is that Pagos isn't really challenging. It's tedious, time-consuming, repetitive, and kinda boring, but it's really just Anemos with less forgiveness for mistakes. Plus some dragons thrown in just to screw with people. There's dozens of threads about it already, but it's really hard to deny that Pagos is not casual friendly in any way.

[Aerlana]

People defending eureka/diadem as they exists now are part of the problem. Yes.

A small part in my opinion.


Diadem failed, did live what... 3 weeks?
Diadem 2 failed² and people ran away after 1 week.
Then, Yoshida said "okay, we understood, stop diadem. And the diadem's team will take the time needed to do a better content for stormblood" (around 17 month from this to anemos release... they had time...)

Same team, nearly same content... nothing surprising would say.

BUT there is 1 big matter. Yoshida mainly watch what people are doing. "oh, they dont go to the feast, have to change things in PvP/Feast" "oh, everyone ran away from gordias, have to rethink the way we work sadic content". Yes people also speaked... But also, lot people did cry with atma step during ARR, do i have to remember what was the first relic stop for HW? (thank to the Zeta-skip \o/)

Atma? A lot people cried (all?) but a lot (all?) did stay doing them to get their relic. then animus, nexus, novus etc etc.

People are going anemos, pagos, pyros, (next will be Mykonos? wouldnt change a lot with what we have). So Yoshida probably think that, even if people are crying, the content is good enough.
Pagos, people was leaving because no fate train = no easy exp = more boring than boring. people running away => paaaaaaatch and return of fate train.

People continue to use any content = this content is good enough, continue

[Bahati]

Why can't SE accept their failure with dignity and move on to developing something else? How many times are they going to push the same stale content on us that very few players were excited about in the first place? The fact that SE is desperately locking dyeable AF gear, emotes, mounts, relics, etc, behind this poorly implemented content just to get bodies in there is even more insulting to the playerbase.

Remember, we've gotten less content overall in SB so that our money and the team's time can be funneled into making more Eureka maps. I wish the team would just let this die. If not for relic and AF gear Eureka would have been dead on arrival just like Diadem 1 and 2 were.

STOP SPENDING TIME AND RESOURCES ON EUREKA