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  1. #31
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    Alleo's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    I don’t think that’s a fair description of what he did. He made the poor choice of simply ordering the guard to “do something”, but that ties in with the broader plot point that he tends to sit back and let other people make difficult decisions for him - and in this case he’s horrified by what that decision was. It’s clear he didn’t expect the guard to shoot her - let alone a second time, when he’s possibly too shocked to respond.
    Yeah and we should not forget that the death of one of his brothers was still quite fresh at that point, he was not used to being in charge because of his status as baby brother and he just simply panicked. Thancred himself was also just quite frustated at that point and also just took it out on him. I am not fine that they showed the WoL with a fist too because I honestly just felt bad for him. Because its like you said, he was not ready telling the guard to shot her but just to do something and seeing how this was in a rebellion where the WoL already got poisoned and probably quite some people injured, its not like its completely out of the realm to shot her. (And it was not a deathly one either) I mean yes the best solution would have been to just arrest her somehow but he again was never really in charge of anything anyway and never have been in such conflicts.

    I dont really want to slap many NPCs (but I do wanna talk some down and tell them to be more respectful to either the WoL or other people) but I wish the WoL would stop letting people get away. At the beginning and through SB where we somehow just let that Roe run away, felt just too strange. This was an enemy that was going to kill us. We were at war..at least take him out and arrest him if you dont outright kill him. But letting him run away felt like I was just watching that one part of Hildibrand with the old people..
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  2. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    I dont really want to slap many NPCs (but I do wanna talk some down and tell them to be more respectful to either the WoL or other people) but I wish the WoL would stop letting people get away. At the beginning and through SB where we somehow just let that Roe run away, felt just too strange. This was an enemy that was going to kill us. We were at war..at least take him out and arrest him if you dont outright kill him. But letting him run away felt like I was just watching that one part of Hildibrand with the old people..
    There's a cutscene early on in the Alexander storyline where the Illuminati leader and his two lackeys are LITERALLY SURROUNDED by the WoL, Mide, Cid, Biggs, Wedge and Backrix... and they just let him monologue for 5 minutes and then he walks away. Like they're not even doing anything, just standing around talking.

    Why dont you just shoot them you have at least one person with a gun!
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  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ameela View Post
    There's a cutscene early on in the Alexander storyline where the Illuminati leader and his two lackeys are LITERALLY SURROUNDED by the WoL, Mide, Cid, Biggs, Wedge and Backrix... and they just let him monologue for 5 minutes and then he walks away. Like they're not even doing anything, just standing around talking.

    Why dont you just shoot them you have at least one person with a gun!
    I know there is a trope name for this, but basically every piece of entertainment does "let the villain monologue" because it shows how haughty/narcissistic/oblivious they are to reality. A non-canon-fodder villain would never reveal their plan, and leave the good guys to guess what their endgame is. "We" want to know the villain's plan because it wouldn't make for good entertainment if we did all this and the villain was just wanting attention and really did it because they could.

    Like Zenos endgame isn't really isn't known. We know he wants to become more powerful by any means, but he treats basically everyone as toys.
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  4. #34
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    Papalymo is already dead, so my number 1 spot is gone already.

    Hmm... number 2 has to go to Kan-E-Senna's siblings, the 2 junior white mages that are the white mage job quest givers. In the HW storyline you were put up against a necromancer and the lore behind it was interesting if not a little open-ended. As someone who enjoys the more occult themes, I wasn't very pleased with having to strike it down all because some tree spirit halfway down the continent didn't like it. I would also like to cut down said tree and use it for firewood to burn my poop on Hauchefaunt's Grave because of how much of a thorn that thing has been for the dumbest of reasons.
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  5. #35
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    I did the lvl 25 Arcanist class quest last night and wanted to punch the arc guild leader so hard. Lurking around on rooftops, won't even face you when talking to you. Talks big on "muh strategy" and "muh math", is just a lame nerd who tries too hard to be an anime protag.
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  6. #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamsoap View Post
    I did the lvl 25 Arcanist class quest last night and wanted to punch the arc guild leader so hard. Lurking around on rooftops, won't even face you when talking to you. Talks big on "muh strategy" and "muh math", is just a lame nerd who tries too hard to be an anime protag.
    A genius nerd though - Thubyrgeim mentions that they're tolerant of his long absences and eccentricities because he keeps them updated on his theories on advanced arcanima. (paraphrased from memory, but my alt character only joined the guild yesterday.)

    But yes, annoying as heck. Don't make me dance in public! D:
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  7. #37
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    Yes please! If they add this feature I do gladly redo the entire MSQ just to punch Ungust all day long. Oh, I also want to give the PvP introduces a couple of knuckle sandwiches for being such a pottymouth and just a general mean person.
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  8. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    Like Zenos endgame isn't really isn't known. We know he wants to become more powerful by any means, but he treats basically everyone as toys.
    Zenos's only real goal is to find more strong people to fight. He treats people like crap to make them rise up against him so he can keep fighting. He's only interested in the WoL because we don't immediately die when he looks at us funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    Zenos's only real goal is to find more strong people to fight. He treats people like crap to make them rise up against him so he can keep fighting. He's only interested in the WoL because we don't immediately die when he looks at us funny.
    I personally like Zenos for several reasons, foremost being that I believe story line had evolved to a point whereby we needed a clear cut powerful and ruthless villain.
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  10. #40
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ameela View Post
    There's a cutscene early on in the Alexander storyline where the Illuminati leader and his two lackeys are LITERALLY SURROUNDED by the WoL, Mide, Cid, Biggs, Wedge and Backrix... and they just let him monologue for 5 minutes and then he walks away. Like they're not even doing anything, just standing around talking.

    Why dont you just shoot them you have at least one person with a gun!
    Exactly. Such situations are annoying because they just exists so that we would have a fight later but then why not make it in a way that gives us no other chance, like short time paralysis or something.

    One example that makes more sense but behind spoilers if someone did not do latest patch:

    Asahi for example did make at least a bit sense because we still did not want to kill someone that was seen as a emissary (and one could argue that we knew that Yotsuyu was not saveable or maybe the WoL did harbour some bad feelings towards her) but an enemy that later even might return in a harder version..thats just bad writing imo.
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    Last edited by Alleo; 09-08-2018 at 10:31 PM.

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